Antisemitism

[Domen]

Lets not forget about the current mass passive genocide against white people via multiculturalism.

Eventually, there will be no white people left due to interbreeding with people with darker skins or something according to the BNP.

According to this map, white people already got extinct, having been replaced by pink people:

 

[daft]

Jews are more unique in their accomplishments than in their suffering. Plenty of other ethnic groups suffered genocide too, and often on a scale comparable or even greater than the Holocaust.

You must be mentioning the Armenians. So much hatred toward Nazi Germany of WWII for their actions against the Jews, not even half as much backlash against the Ottoman Turks.
Go figure.

 

[daft]

I'm no more happy with the use of the term antisemitism than I am with the term racism.

And, like race, we'd be better off, imo, if we all forgot that there was anything like different religions.
How can one religion be "better" than another? Isn't it more than likely that either no religion holds the truth or all religions hold a grain of truth?

And why one group, or several groups, of people think that not eating shellfish or pork makes them "better" than people who do escapes me completely.

Do Jews consider themselves as a separate race?

Most of the main, modern monotheistic religions consider themselves the "true, or one and only" faith. However, Judaism and Islam could be considered the least tolerant of them, apart from Scientology, which doesn't fall in the above category though.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Do Jews consider themselves as a separate race?

Most of the main, modern monotheistic religions consider themselves the "true, or one and only" faith. However, Judaism and Islam could be considered the least tolerant of them, apart from Scientology, which doesn't fall in the above category though.

No, we don't.

I fail to see where there is intolerance in Judaism. Unlike Christianity, and Islam, we have no concept of hell (or an afterlife, actually), and thus non-believers aren't condemned to some sort of eternal suffering. In fact, even though we are the "chosen people," and we don't proselytize, god is said to judge you on deeds, not faith. As long as you do good, you're fine in the eyes of Judaism.

A lot of the stuff saying otherwise is basic antisemitism, and every time a thread like this pops up its weird to see some people still accept things like that as fact.

Maybe living in America has blinded me to the rest of the world.

 

[Domen]

Jews have no concept of an afterlife ??? I don't think that's true.

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The Book of Revelation says about the salvation of the Jews, IIRC.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Jews have no concept of an afterlife ??? I don't think that's true.

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The Book of Revelation says about the salvation of the Jews, IIRC.

There are musings, but nothing concrete. Jewish ideas of the afterlife basically boil down to various thought experiments by historical Rabbis, all of which end with "we don't know for sure because we're not dead yet."

The Torah for sure doesn't detail anything specifically.

 

[daft]

There are musings, but nothing concrete. Jewish ideas of the afterlife basically boil down to various thought experiments by historical Rabbis, all of which end with "we don't know for sure because we're not dead yet."

The Torah for sure doesn't detail anything specifically.

Since there's no concept of "Hell" I'm becoming somewhat of a fan of Judaism!
You mean "God" doesn't judge anyone after their death?

What I meant by lack of tolerance was the fact that children of mixed families (Jewish and Christian) almost always are raised in Jewish tradition, why is that so? Basically the non Jewish person before marriage to a Jewish one has to convert to Judaism first? Are there exceptions?

 

[bhavv]

That might possibly happen in the future, although how is that a bad thing?

I'm not saying its a bad thing, I was making fun if it being one of the agenda things of neo nazi parties like the BNP.

 

[bhavv]

No, we don't.

I fail to see where there is intolerance in Judaism. Unlike Christianity, and Islam, we have no concept of hell (or an afterlife, actually), and thus non-believers aren't condemned to some sort of eternal suffering. In fact, even though we are the "chosen people," and we don't proselytize, god is said to judge you on deeds, not faith. As long as you do good, you're fine in the eyes of Judaism.

A lot of the stuff saying otherwise is basic antisemitism, and every time a thread like this pops up its weird to see some people still accept things like that as fact.

Maybe living in America has blinded me to the rest of the world.

If this is true then I liek Judaism like I liek budhism.

Christianity / Islam / Hinduism can just die.

 

[warpus]

So just because 50% of Jewish ancestry is Non-Israelite, does not mean that they are any less Jewish than Greeks are Greek or Germans German, etc.

And I guess if what you say is true then Germans might be less German than Jews are Jewish?

It's all pretty fascinating stuff, thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail. I just assumed that "association by religion" would lead to looser biological ties than.. "association by ancestry and nationhood or whatever". Seemed to be a fairly logical assumption, but I guess in this case it is false.

 

[Kyriakos]

No, we don't.

I fail to see where there is intolerance in Judaism. Unlike Christianity, and Islam, we have no concept of hell (or an afterlife, actually), and thus non-believers aren't condemned to some sort of eternal suffering. In fact, even though we are the "chosen people," and we don't proselytize, god is said to judge you on deeds, not faith. As long as you do good, you're fine in the eyes of Judaism.

A lot of the stuff saying otherwise is basic antisemitism, and every time a thread like this pops up its weird to see some people still accept things like that as fact.

Maybe living in America has blinded me to the rest of the world.

Well... Judaism is rather a super-OCD version of Christianity (if one allows the anachronism). One cannot really term it as more tolerant, or even less insane
Even the religious laws alone there are in the hundreds. In fact cancelling most of them was a main point of christianity, according to the letters of the apostles.

Not to mention Yahweh the defiler.

 

[Borachio]

No, we don't.

I fail to see where there is intolerance in Judaism. Unlike Christianity, and Islam, we have no concept of hell (or an afterlife, actually), and thus non-believers aren't condemned to some sort of eternal suffering. In fact, even though we are the "chosen people," and we don't proselytize, god is said to judge you on deeds, not faith. As long as you do good, you're fine in the eyes of Judaism.

A lot of the stuff saying otherwise is basic antisemitism, and every time a thread like this pops up its weird to see some people still accept things like that as fact.

Maybe living in America has blinded me to the rest of the world.

The Old Testament, though (which if I remember correctly is Judaism part one), is really full to the brim with intolerance of every possible description, isn't it?

And it doesn't provide much in the way of examples of do-gooding.

 

[Tahuti]

The Old Testament, though (which if I remember correctly is Judaism part one), is really full to the brim with intolerance of every possible description, isn't it?

And it doesn't provide much in the way of examples of do-gooding.

Well, prior to the introduction of the Talmud - which is probably a Christian influence upon Judaism - there was no official interpretation of the Old Testament. Thus, there is no directive nature: 'Those guys in the Old Testament did it!' is not a reason to perform an action.

Though I'm aware this leans towards Karaism.

 

[bhavv]

Hmmm yes, the old testament is a horrible book, and is mostly to do with Judaism.

 

[Senethro]

According to this map, white people already got extinct, having been replaced by pink people:

You really love your crank researchers of previous centuries.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Since there's no concept of "Hell" I'm becoming somewhat of a fan of Judaism!
You mean "God" doesn't judge anyone after their death?

What I meant by lack of tolerance was the fact that children of mixed families (Jewish and Christian) almost always are raised in Jewish tradition, why is that so? Basically the non Jewish person before marriage to a Jewish one has to convert to Judaism first? Are there exceptions?

It's implied that there may be judgement, mostly because he commanded us to act good and do mitzvahs (good deeds). If you don't do good deeds, then you are breaking god's commandments. He might punish you, but if he does, it's doubtful its eternal. But, as I said, no one who has died as come back to talk to us, so Rabbis recognize it's all just speculation based on the texts we have.

I don't think that's true, and anecdotally I know of plenty of mix-religious families that are either Christian, or mix the religions a bit. The decision is up to the married couple, and their story, to raise the kids whatever way they please. Maybe the rules are stricter in Orthodox tradition, and stuff, but American Reform Judaism, which is what I grew up with, is very much relaxed on stuff like the above. Conversion is a lengthy process is almost all Jewish traditions, but in terms of reform, non-conversion is never a deal breaker for marriage.

The Old Testament, though (which if I remember correctly is Judaism part one), is really full to the brim with intolerance of every possible description, isn't it?

And it doesn't provide much in the way of examples of do-gooding.

It's full of plenty of horrible stories for sure. But I guess that's kind of expected for the society it was written for. It is an extremely old document, mind you.

But it's not the stories that matter so much, but rather how it's used. The way its practiced in contemporary times, derived from the lessons in the script, is fairly tolerant.

 

[bhavv]

Erm, all the 'Homosexuality is an abomination ' stuff going on from Christians around the world is tolerant?

 

[classical_hero]

There are musings, but nothing concrete. Jewish ideas of the afterlife basically boil down to various thought experiments by historical Rabbis, all of which end with "we don't know for sure because we're not dead yet."

The Torah for sure doesn't detail anything specifically.

What about Sheol?

 

[Squonk]

Is this the equivalent of:

"I'm not homophobic. Homophobia means fear of homosexuality. I'm not afraid of them. I just think they're abominations."

No, and I'm disappointed with your lack of reading ability.

The word "Anti-Semitism" was invented by a German to scientifically describe his hatred of Jews. That was the whole point was to describe hatred of Jews. You should learn some history Squonk.

Uh? This is relevant - how? The original reason for inventing the word antisemitism and who coined the phrase has little to do with current usage.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Because ethnicity is cultural, not genetic.
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Ethnicity can't be photographed. You can't take a picture of ethnicity, AFAIK. Unless they developed some brand new special camers ???

For many years, Canadians were not allowed to write down "Canadian" as their ethnicity on the federal census. This was really frustrating for those who either didn't know which country their families originally immigrated from, or for those who preferred not to acknowledge their ancestors for some reason. It was only fairly recently that a "Canadian" option was allowed. I still choose to hyphenate myself, as I still feel some kinship with my European family (never met any of them, but have exchanged letters and emails).

However... regardless of whether I write down "Canadian" or "Swedish/Norwegian-Canadian" on the census, it's ridiculous to say that "ethnicity can't be photographed." I assure you that I am neither a vampire, ghost, nor other supernatural entity that doesn't show up in a photo. I am someone who has a choice of ethnicities to call myself, and if someone takes a picture of me and the camera is in proper working order, I will show up. So yeah, you can photograph ethnicity, whether it's me or any other person.