Are you with us or against us?

[jiml_63]

A very simple question. The line has been drawn and rightfully so IMO. You don't have to send troops or money...just stand with us in this fight.

or

Be considered a hostile regime....

 

[G-Man]

We're with you. It's you that don't want us. Appearantly your good friends, Pakistan, doesn't want Israel and India to fight terrorism.
Anyway, Israel will support the war against terror in any way needed - Diplomaticly, Militarily or by giving Intelligence to the alliance. We're not formaly in the coalition, but we'll do more then most countries that are.

 

[allan]

I'm a little pissed that we're dissing you like this, G-man.... Of all the countries in the world, YOU GUYS (Israel) deserve a piece of this fight against terrorism--you've suffered from it almost daily....

I hope (and I would think this may be so) that your Mossad have a key, but secret, role in the upcoming events....

 

[Juize]

How ingenius comments. Either we must kill innocent with you, or WE will be killed innocents. This reminds me from Hitler & Finland 1941-1944.

 

[allan]

Gee, YOU'RE back again? Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?

 

[allan]

BTW, Juize, FYI, America is NOT demanding that nations give military support, or even monetary support (frankly we have adequate help from enough nations already), just stand with us (symbolically or whatever) against terrorism, and not harbor terrorists. That sure ain't a lot to ask, is it?

If you harbor terrorists you will be guilty of aiding and abetting international criminals--and will be dealt with appropriately. That's it--black and white.... In the past we've been pretty tolerant of nations harboring these terrorist criminals, and look where it got us? But no more. Deal with it.

(And don't worry, I don't think the government of Finland has any interest in harboring terrorists, so you have nothing to worry about! )

Have a nice day....

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by allan
Gee, YOU'RE back again? Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?

Ahh, I keep embarrising myself, when not wanting to kill others. So I'm a pacifistical terrorist *******, yes?
You should take a minute and consider this quite carefully...

(Edit because more talk and dont want to spam: )

BTW, Juize, FYI, America is NOT demanding that nations give military support, or even monetary support (frankly we have adequate help from enough nations already), just stand with us (symbolically or whatever) against terrorism, and not harbor terrorists. That sure ain't a lot to ask, is it?

No, it isn't. I'm glad to wipe out terrorists. But who are these 'terrorists'?

 

[allan]

"But who are these 'terrorists'?"

Actually, we are now at war with ALL of them.... Not just those that blew up the WTC, but also those that have been known to blow up school buses full of children and the like, all over the world.... This is the big crackdown. Civilized people of ANY country shouldn't have to tolerate ANY terrorist act, big or small, no matter what the cause (causes don't justify terror, the end doesn't justify the means)--and God willing, they won't after we all act against these terrorist groups.

Enough is enough.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by allan
"But who are these 'terrorists'?"

Actually, we are now at war with ALL of them.... Not just those that blew up the WTC, but also those that have been known to blow up school buses full of children and the like, all over the world.... This is the big crackdown. Civilized people of ANY country shouldn't have to tolerate ANY terrorist act, big or small, no matter what the cause (causes don't justify terror, the end doesn't justify the means)--and God willing, they won't after we all act against these terrorist groups.

Enough is enough.

*sigh*

You don't get it, dont you?.. You really seem not to get it. I'll give you same reply as topic next-door:

See? To Bin Laden (If he did this, which I heavily suspect)
this was just a 'peacekeeping operation' agains USA 'terrorist acts'.
So, before you blame others, consider what way those same others think of you.

 

[allan]

"See? To Bin Laden (If he did this, which I heavily suspect)
this was just a 'peacekeeping operation' agains USA 'terrorist acts'.
So, before you blame others, consider what way those same others think of you."

F*ck what he thinks.... Did he sit down and tell us what he thought in a civilized manner? NO, he blew up two buildings filled with civilian people, without warning, DELIBERATELY and coldly. So in that act, he sacrificed his right to talk now. Not that he would anyway....

And WHAT US "terrorist" acts? Do we bomb mosques? Do we blow up schoolbuses?

Man, you LOVE to keep sticking your foot in your mouth, don't you (that's an English expression for saying foolish things without knowing how foolish they are).

P.S. Juize, if your mother and father were blown up in a building in Helsinki, would you still be talking like this? I don't think so. So think of all those who lost parents, brothers, sisters, girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, wives, children, etc. on the 11th. Think of how YOU would feel if you were them, if you lost a loved one because of some sicko. Can you walk a mile in THEIR shoes?

Do that, really TRY to do that, and then come back and talk to us....

 

[drake]

allan, don't blow a fuse man

Don't let juize bother you, he's just your typical kid who believes all the proganda about america. His ignorance about America is apparent, as I talked to him last week for a bit. He's just got a big mouth and he likes to run it.

He says that this was a peacekeeping action? Then he clearly has no clue what he's talking about. Bin Laden isn't fighting terrorist attacks on his people, he's fighting the american way of life. He thinks we should all live under strict islamic law, hide our women under veils, don't let them be educated, beat them if they've misbehaved and only let them out of the house with an escort. He would kill Juize in a second if he had the opportunity, because he represents the west just as much as any american. (Juize missed that close to a 1000 people from other nationalities were also killed in the attack).

And empathy? You think the kids got empathy Allan? He wouldnt get this unless one of his countries towns got blasted. He thinks terrorism is all about the US. But in case he missed it, most European countries are with us all the way.

I suggest we just tune Mr. Angry out and the idiocy he spouts.....

Had he any evidence or a good argument to go with his posts, perhaps we hosuld listen...but he's just a naive kid with a big mouth.

 

[allan]

I know, I tend to try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I sometimes do this to a fault. It's the Minnesotan in me I guess....

When I was his age, I carried on a lot like that. As the song goes, "I wish that I knew what I know now when I was younger".... Boy I must have sounded like a total fool back then.... But our friend hopefully will get older and wiser. Our world will depend on people like him, like it or not....

 

[drake]

He should read a few books and learn about history......a lot of people should.....

I have been doing lots of research lately, and I've learned a lot. I have been emotional about this as everyone has, but I've tried to be rational with all points of view.....

But Juize doesnt use words to try and understand his point of view, he uses words that he know will infuriate. There's a big difference. His communication skills definetly need some work. I don't think he's a bad kid necessarily, but obviously a confused one. I'm not saying that Americans are always right, but action in this situation against specific targets (not civilians) is the right thing to do. Almost all world leaders think this. Who am I to argue with the worlds leaders?

 

[G-Man]

"no cause, even a just one, should be achived by means of terror"
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan

This sentence is the base of fighting against terror. Terrorists are trying to psychologicaly put fear in the hearts of people, and scare them so much they'll give up their rights in order to avoid being attacked again. But today it's obvious that the only way to stop terror is by strongly, determingly fight back.
If the US wouldn't attack Bin-Laden back, and won't destroy his international terror orgenization, nothing will prevent them from attacking again.
The American people, being a very united and a very strong people, is the best opponent to terror. You're probably the only country that can send troops to Afghanistan and destroy El Qaida.

I am, however, dissapointed that the US will only attack countries that supported this specific attack, and not all terror supporting countries. I remember that in the first days after the attack a few speculations came up about who did it. There were four countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Syria. How can you be safe when three of these countries are still free to support terrorism? If they were suspected they obviously have the ability, the will and the terror network needed to conduct such an attack.
Infact, the US is now wanting Syria, officialy declared a terror supporting nation. If Syria won't stop the Hizballa and distroy it's terror infrastructure they should be one of the nations attacked, not a part of the coalition against terror!

 

[Juize]

There are lots of anti-US propaganda here.
And if I would listen it blindly, I would've already bombed those towers ages ago.
But, remember, there are lots of anti-Arab propaganda. And G-Man is an excellent example of it.
What comes to this subject, u win. I am too tired to answer posts which don't have anything else than
bullfeathers against me. And I will also get banned if I have other opinions than mods.

[EDIT: Something is definetly wrong with me. I just have to talk. Maybe I'm a maniac. Or whatever.
Anyway, deleted those words which I said I'll 'shut my dirty hole' I just cant. Sorry.]

 

[Simon Darkshade]

We are with you all the way. We went "all the way with LBJ", so I guess we'll go "to the Hindu Kush with George Bush" (very bad rhyming pattern )

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Juize
There are lots of anti-US propaganda here.
And if I would listen it blindly, I would've already bombed those towers ages ago.
But, remember, there are lots of anti-Arab propaganda. And G-Man is an excellent example of it.
What comes to this subject, u win

The only anti-US propaganda I find here are your posts.
I also never spoke against arab countries. I have no problem with Arabs. I live with them just fine. I meet them every day. I have no problem with any Arab because of him being an Arab. I've been to Arab countries (Jordan, Egypt). I just hate terrorism. I don't think that's a bad thing, but appearantly you are. Syria, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan are internationaly, officialy recognized as terror supporting countries. If they stop supporting terrorism (Iraq should probably stop pointing missiles towards my house), I won't have a thing against them.

 

[drake]

I just suggest everyone ignore juize.......he's a misinformed kid with a bad attitude......no need to let his un-founded opinions bother you.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by drake
I just suggest everyone ignore juize.......he's a misinformed kid with a bad attitude......no need to let his un-founded opinions bother you.

Let me ask: Why? Why are you so (hmm) sure about yourself?
I'm not. I have no bad additude, IF bad additude does not mean that you don't
want to kill people. Of course, if it does, then--- well, then I'm badly misinformed kid.
And to G-Man..:
Look, according to your opinions from independent view, it looks like your the terrorist here.
Again, if Without-proves-bombing-suspects-blindly does not mean terrorists, I'm badly misinformed.
Argh. It seems like I cannot shut myself up of this subject. So no offense, these are only point-of-views.
If somebody thinks I'm a misinformed kid, please PM, or whatever.

 

[BlueMonday]

Juize, take a look at where G-man is from. He's not some cocked up little whiner spending his whole life lying to himself about his personal safety. He's part of one of the most violent places in the world. A place where a six year old kid can pick up a Dragunov and kill someone 800 meters away. He's from a place that doesn't just hear about murderous violence or suicide bombers, he's in a place that lives it. He understands better than anyone here that violence is a necessity for survival. And in the next few years, many Americans and Europeans are going to know about that too.

I suppose that's part of the beauty of being as young as you are. You can still convince yourself that the world is ruled by love and peace, and that everybody can live it. I hope you grow out of that and realize that the world is a mighty brutal place. And it won't treat you nicely.