Are you with us or against us?

[Juize]

Originally posted by BlueMonday
Juize, take a look at where G-man is from. He's not some cocked up little whiner spending his whole life lying to himself about his personal safety. He's part of one of the most violent places in the world. A place where a six year old kid can pick up a Dragunov and kill someone 800 meters away. He's from a place that doesn't just hear about murderous violence or suicide bombers, he's in a place that lives it. He understands better than anyone here that violence is a necessity for survival. And in the next few years, many Americans and Europeans are going to know about that too.

I suppose that's part of the beauty of being as young as you are. You can still convince yourself that the world is ruled by love and peace, and that everybody can live it. I hope you grow out of that and realize that the world is a mighty brutal place. And it won't treat you nicely.

I am perfectly known of the type what you describe. My class is full of those idiots.
I have no misunderstands of brutal world (I hope).
And I'm perfectly known of G-Mans place. Violence is necessary to survival?
If Israels violence is normal, Why Finland is not so violent place. I can answer, too:
Because we don't want to kill each other. In other words, because we're all young kids?
So, we should grow up in Finland and start killing each other, yes?
And please don't get mad, altough this is slightly offensive, You would crash my 'young illusions'.
You would crash Jesus's young illusions, too. You call yourself a "christian nation"?

OK, to get serious:..
If we all would been same kind of you, we would be still in the stone age, eating each others.
If Israel lives in war because of senseless racism, Thats ok to me.
But G-Man shouldn't spread this senseless racism elsewhere.

 

[G-Man]

No surprise in here. I almost instinctivly knew you're just another one of those "Israel is racist Israel is facist Israel is bad" morons. None of these morons ever stood the test of reality. Can you proove we're racists? No, so shut the f*ck up, caus we're not racists, and unlike your country we never were.

And since we're not a christian country I have no problem about crashing dreams. The fact is that the world isn't perfect. While you may not experiense it yourself, violence is necessary. You're lucky as you live in a peacful nation, but not all places are like that. Israel was attacked before it was even founded. Or did Alla tell the arabs that we'll be a racist country someday, and of the goodness of their hearts they decided to help the world and kill us before we have the chance to do anything evil?
The fact is that Finland is in a strong military alliance that all of it's members are supported by the strongest armies in the world. Otherwise someone would take over your country as well. Just like in anything in life, the one who owns the powers is the one that makes the rules. Now you have the power, so you make the rules. But who knows what will happen in the future? And someday you'll learn that in life you must have power. Do you think so many countries would support the coalition if the US didn't have military and economic powers?

 

[Juize]

In 11th century, there were an invade of christians (swedish) against the original people of Finland.
They killed large amount of us, raped womans, etc. But we did not just started to
crying and started a forever war. We did not reveanged.
And a vot: Within few years there were a peace in Finland. The invaders did never attacked again.
If you would be then here G-Man, there would be a war here still.
So, because we were childish idiots, we survived. Beat that.

[EDIT: And, btw, before the answer I didn't really though that Israelis were racists. Now I'm sure of it.]
[EDIT2: Hey, btw,that is really serious bulsit about that Finland is within coalition!]

 

[G-Man]

You survive because you follow the US and the UN blinfolded, and because there's no one else in the world that wants to live where you live.
About this 11th century attack
Should I remind you what happened to jewish people when we allowed the Nazis to take over?
And I find it very hard to believe that you consider it a victory to your ideas, when people are killed and women are raped. So what you're saying is that instead of fighting we should just let everyone kill us and then we'll be fine? Oh yeah, I always wanted to know how the next world looks like.

PS
Again you say we're racists but have no proof. So from now on I officialy declare you're an idiot!

 

[Juize]

And I officially:

A) Declare you to a idiot, because you cannot find your few-days old posts
and
B) Declare you to a racist because of racistical material which these posts contain.

There ya go. Case closed (I hope).

And BlueM, you should really consider your reply again.
And again.
And again and again and again.

 

[allan]

Time to turn on the twit filter....

G-man, I tried to take Juize seriously, too. It won't work. He has identity issues (most 14-year-olds do), and any piece of reason that stands to conflict with those views he has chosen to prop up his fragile identity will be discarded by him, without much thought, to preserve that identity.

Ignore him though, and he'll go away. He thrives on attention. trust me. (I myself will no longer dignify anything he says with an acknowledgement or reply.)

BTW, G-man, I hope we at least let you in the coalition in a "secret" (Mossad) way--we'd be fools not to, with what you guys know....

 

[Juize]

Ahh, you're one of these folks:

Juize, take a look at where G-man is from. He's not some cocked up little whiner spending his whole life lying to himself about his personal safety. He's part of one of the most violent places in the world. A place where a six year old kid can pick up a Dragunov and kill someone 800 meters away. He's from a place that doesn't just hear about murderous violence or suicide bombers, he's in a place that lives it. He understands better than anyone here that violence is a necessity for survival. And in the next few years, many Americans and Europeans are going to know about that too.

I suppose that's part of the beauty of being as young as you are. You can still convince yourself that the world is ruled by love and peace, and that everybody can live it. I hope you grow out of that and realize that the world is a mighty brutal place. And it won't treat you nicely.

So,
Im an idiot, I'm an childish idiot, I'm an childish moron-idiot, I'm what-ever and can't talk serious.
And all because I dont think US should attack Afganistan without reasons.
Sorry. Maybe here's something 'higher logic' behind this. Go figure.
But I agree with allan,
if his saying that this conversation has come to end. I just cant understand you.

 

[G-Man]

I'm a racist? very well. Proove it. Other wise -
F*ck off

 

[Dell19]

When you are going to make a point that people may not agree with, you need to be able to back it up otherwise your arguement will just collapse because you have not laid down strong enough foundations. Ypou did not help yourself when you started acting as if the disaster in America was a good thing. Thins like that tend to stick in people's minds.

 

[allan]

Hey, G-man, calm down! All the rest of us know you are not a racist (well, we don't know you personally, but we all give you the benefit of the doubt), so why do you care about a name some kid calls you? Read my above post. He's 14. Wait until you become the father of a 14-year-old kid (if you haven't already)--you'll likely hear ALL KINDS of irrational abuse (I know I said some pretty wild sh*t to my own Dad at that age), and you'll probably wonder where the hell all that animosity suddenly came from. But at that age it's all about image, identity, hatred of authority, and all kinds of confusing emotions. Not that as a father you shouldn't discipline your son for such crap, but since you're not Juize's father, and thus you have no real chance of "reaching" him or making an impression on him, the best you can do is just walk away. You know what you are, don't let some kid rattle you. I made that same mistake.

You seem like a real stand-up guy, G-man. And I consider myself a good judge of character.... Be proud of who you are.

 

[G-Man]

In Hebrew there's a saying - "The man is a creation of his enviourment". I guess there's a different between watching TV and seeing a blown up retaurant or live shootings (Once, I saw on live TV a bullet passing 5 feet from the mayor of Jerusalem in the middle of an interview. That was creepy) and growing up watching cartoons and children's showes, where the strong one is always aggressive, attacks without reason and is everything that's bad and the weak one is always right and is everything that's good.

 

[jiml_63]

G-Man...In the interest of coalition building the US will continue to keep a low profile concerning our relationship with Israel. However, don't think for a minute that the US won't rely heavily on you for intelligence and logistical support.

 

[G-Man]

I'm sure we'll give you intelligence. About logistical support - we'll give you if you ask, but I doubt it - unless the US is gonna attack Syria of Lebanon, and I'm pretty sure you won't. We don't share a border with Iraq, Sudan or Afghanistan, so whoever the US will attack it can't be from Israel. But you can always feel free to stop by.

 

[Juize]

Juize, take a look at where G-man is from. He's not some cocked up little whiner spending his whole life lying to himself about his personal safety. He's part of one of the most violent places in the world. A place where a six year old kid can pick up a Dragunov and kill someone 800 meters away. He's from a place that doesn't just hear about murderous violence or suicide bombers, he's in a place that lives it. He understands better than anyone here that violence is a necessity for survival. And in the next few years, many Americans and Europeans are going to know about that too.

I suppose that's part of the beauty of being as young as you are. You can still convince yourself that the world is ruled by love and peace, and that everybody can live it. I hope you grow out of that and realize that the world is a mighty brutal place. And it won't treat you nicely

I took that seriously. Lets see are you happy now.

 

[BlueMonday]

Originally posted by Juize
And all because I dont think US should attack Afganistan without reasons.
Sorry. Maybe here's something 'higher logic' behind this. Go figure.
But I agree with allan,
if his saying that this conversation has come to end. I just cant understand you.

You said it twice, I'll counter twice. Only a fool would continue to tell us that Afganistan has come through this clean like a sterilized scalpel. We've made connection after connection -both human and business- between the F-day terrorists and Bin Laden's organization. The statement "I don't think US should attack Afganistan" is utter rubbish. Bin Laden's there -hiding out- and those who lead are protecting him. So what do we do? Turn around and let him take out more innocent civilians? or do we end his life? It's a pretty easy question in my opinion.

You know, you shouldn't sit by with your holier-than-thou attitude condenming American action becuase it will be violent. Your country is no different than any other coutry in the world. You were forged by violence too. Your country has a proud military history, even holding off the great Russian Army in 1939. So don't blow smoke up my ass with "finland is a forever peaceful country." Your forefathers fought for what you have now, just as our forefathers did, and just like today's American generation will for it's children.

"A generation not willing to fight for itself or to die for it's children is a generation that is already dead." -A BlueMonday original quote.

 

[kiwimac]

Actually folks,

No-one KNOWS whether it was Bin Laden or not, there have been reports that the Japanese Red Army Group has claimed responsibility for the attacks, Some Israeli reports have pointed the finger at Hussein.

Before you go off half-cocked and start bombing the WRONG folk, perhaps it might be useful to garner enough evidence to stand up in a court of law?

Kiwimac

 

[Juize]

Bluemonday:
You know, you shouldn't sit by with your holier-than-thou attitude condenming American action becuase it will be violent. Your country is no different than any other coutry in the world. You were forged by violence too. Your country has a proud military history, even holding off the great Russian Army in 1939. So don't blow smoke up my ass with "finland is a forever peaceful country." Your forefathers fought for what you have now, just as our forefathers did, and just like today's American generation will for it's children.

A quick note: If russians attack against us, we will defend.
So, youre saying that US should 'defend' itself. Against who?
Afgans, of course. Maybe you know some heavy proofs. I'll count on it.
But, if you have attacked WITHOUT any proofs...
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[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by kiwimac
Actually folks,

No-one KNOWS whether it was Bin Laden or not, there have been reports that the Japanese Red Army Group has claimed responsibility for the attacks, Some Israeli reports have pointed the finger at Hussein.

Oh really?
Didn't know you were cut in on high level US intelligence intercepts and data.

Before you go off half-cocked and start bombing the WRONG folk, perhaps it might be useful to garner enough evidence to stand up in a court of law?

Kiwimac

Perhaps YOU should learn to watch the world around you.
Did the US drop a single bomb yet?
Answer: No

Also, in case they don't tell you much in NZ, both Bin Laden and the Taliban have been activily promoting terror for years, through thousands of pronoucements, and only the US's sense of other nation's soverigncy prevented the US from taking action.

Also, the whole civilized world agrees that terrorism MUST be destroyed, not brought to law courts. They recognize no law but there own, which is KILL all oppostion.
Well, now we will play be THEIR rules. We didn't want to, they FORCED it on the US and the rest of the world.

It's time all of you realized, sometimes war is both right and necsesarry, and this is one of those times, wether you want peace or not.

I have a wife and a young son, and I want them to live in peace and freedom, not in a self made jail that terrorists are trying to impose on the world.

What does it take to reach people like you?
How many innocents must die before your stirred to action?
Europe used to give in to thugs, it was called "appeasement", and it led DIRECTLY to the second world war.

We know, and HAVE known, who the terrorists are.
Your stunning naieveite' is the environment in which terrorists thrive.
Stop this foolishness.
The US isn't the evil here, and as soon as you realize that, you will stop these assinine posts.

Peace ISN'T the way with terrorists, they will just reak more havok, and kill more innocents, like so many of my friends on tuesday, the 11th of september.

All of you would be advised to stop accusing the US of barbaric behavior, WE are the ones that suffered 6,000+ dead, NOT THEM.

Dig it.

 

[starlifter]

by AoA

...
All of you would be advised to stop accusing the US of barbaric behavior,
...

And what's more, America does not target civilians. People in the US Military incur greater casualties, and many have died, in the effort to minimize collateral casualties.

America even tries to minimize loss of life to the enemy (when possible) in war. We did so in the Persian Gulf War.

In the case of terrorism, America is nether the aggressor, nor is it pursuing a strategic National interest (There are about 8 such interests around the world) when fighting terrorism.

So get real, and get out of the way if you're a supporter of Terrorism or any of its rotten underpinning, up to and including such things as Swiss protection of terrorist money.

 

[BlueMonday]

Originally posted by Juize

A quick note: If russians attack against us, we will defend.
So, youre saying that US should 'defend' itself. Against who?
Afgans, of course. Maybe you know some heavy proofs. I'll count on it.
But, if you have attacked WITHOUT any proofs...
####

"So, youre saying that US should 'defend' itself. Against who?" that question is so silly, I'm not even sure why I bother answering it. The terrorists...DUH. What? you think now that they got one more victory they're just gonna lie down and bask in praise and self-satisfaction. No, they'll attack again and again and again against America, Europe, and Australia. Anybody who speaks English as their primary language is a potential target to these people. What are we defending against? Don't waste my bandwidth with stupid questions like that. You keep saying "Afgans" too. We're not going to take down the Afganis, we're going to take down Bin Laden, the Taliban who protects him, and all the cells he is associated with.

When the time comes for proof, we'll have it. I just hope by that time you will have become enough of a man to admit that you might be wrong about this whole "The U.S. did this to itself" bit and that you might be able to listen to us for a change instead of jumping on the "America is evil" wagon with all the other nut cases.