Argentinian prosecutor found dead after accusation against the President

[gay_Aleks]

Jewish centre bombing: Argentine prosecutor Nisman found dead

An Argentine federal prosecutor who accused President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner last week of a cover-up has been found dead at his home in the capital, Buenos Aires.

Alberto Nisman was investigating the 1994 bombing of a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires in which 85 people died.

On Wednesday, he accused the president of involvement in a plot to cover up Iran's alleged role in the bombing.

The president's spokesman dismissed the allegations as "ridiculous".

Mr Nisman, 51, was found dead by his mother in the bathroom of his home.

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Mr Nisman was due to give evidence at a congressional committee hearing on Monday to outline his accusations against President Fernandez and other officials.

Well, after a certain thread got super-murdered-derail treatment, I open the new topic, which has the exact same layout as the other one. Please, this is a discussion of a specific case.

Thank you.

 

[dutchfire]

Moderator Action: Please behave better than last time

 

[Takhisis]

I don't know what happened 'last time', but here in RL there's fear. It's not usual that people get suicided like this.

 

[Antilogic]

So, for someone who didn't follow this story as it developed in Argentina, can we lay out what the conspiracy was?

From the article, I gather the Iranians actually conducted the bombing, but Argentina back-channeled a guarantee not to prosecute in exchange for a trade deal? And the person who uncovered this was found locked in his house with a single bullet lodged in his vital organs?

What kind of hard evidence was in the report?

 

[Takhisis]

The bombing was orchestrated by Iran/their Hezbollah minions back in the early '90s.
Three or four years ago the local gubbamint suddenly decided to start some contacts with Iran to start some trade, oil for food. They signed a memorandum and all about having the Iranian suspects be interrogated in Iran (!) which the Iranian legislature still hasn't approved. (This also went hand-in-hand with the now deceased President Chávez's policy of befriending other dictatorships). Nisman had a lot of wiretaps apparently and was due to testify before Congress today.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Better Iran than Venezuela, apparently is the motto of Argentina.

 

[dutchfire]

Why was Iran interested in bombing Argentina in the first place?

 

[gay_Aleks]

Why did several nutjobs decide to go out of their way to Bulgaria and do something besides passing through? And by "doing something besides passing through", I mean bombing a bus that had several Jews in it.

Because, they really, really don't like Jews.

 

[Tahuti]

Why did several nutjobs decide to go out of their way to Bulgaria and do something besides passing through? And by "doing something besides passing through", I mean bombing a bus that had several Jews in it.

Because, they really, really don't like Jews.

So, Bulgaria simply has to kick out all Jews, so it won't suffer any Hezbollah or Palestinian attacks! Problem solved!

Raus nach Palästina! Wait...

 

[Takhisis]

Throughout the day the government have changed their categorical irrefutable statements. First Nisman had killed himself, now he has been forced to do so by an unknown party. Ho. Ho. Ho. It wasn't suicide, that much we already knew. Maybe they should be more careful when their outlets and spokesmen say that they'll do their utmost to stop the opposition from their attacks on the press and/or that they are traitors against the will of the people and should be executed.

Obviously they still don't want to do it.
-If it was ordered by the gubbamint's upper echelons directly they're a bunch of murderers.
-If it was done on the orders of an overly zealous brainwashed idiot militant, they can't even control their own 'soldados'.
-If it was orchestrated by some of the intelligence officers who have been recently purged from the services, they can't control a minimal rogue faction and we don't know what else those nutjobs might do.

In the people's imaginarium he was killed on the Presidentess' orders. Pity, really.

Why was Iran interested in bombing Argentina in the first place?

Well, it was a blow against one of the largest Jewish communities in South America and one of those that are among the most noticeable immigrants to Israel. Also, Argentina's president from 1989 to 1999 was a Muslim of Syrio-Lebanese descent who was in cahoots with Saudi Arabia (they opened a doomungous mosque called after one of their kings, King Fahd IIRC) while Iran and Hezbollah were intent on infiltrating the Brazil-Paraguay-Argentina "Triple border", which is still a drug- and slave-trade hub a quarter of a century later.
Argentina's government was into all sorts of international cahoots at the behest of the US at the time, selling weapons to Croatia (in the middle of the US-sponsored disintegration of Yugoslavia, no less!) and Ecuador (who were fighting Peru and Argentina mediated in it!); they'd also sent a couple warships to the Gulf War a few years before.

Of course, terrorists are maniacs and can't be expected to behave rationally. It could have just been a training mission. Why would Bin Laden have wanted to hijack planes in 2001?

 

[Takhisis]

No gunpowder found in the man's hands. How sadly predictable. How predictable, also, that pro-government activists say that he had it coming.

 

[Leonel]

What a terrible shaving accident!

 

[luiz]

No gunpowder found in the man's hands. How sadly predictable. How predictable, also, that pro-government activists say that he had it coming.

Sadly killing people to cover up their corruption seems to be the rule rather now for South America's Bolivarian regimes. Even semi-Bolivarian Brazil is no exception.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

No gunpowder found in the man's hands. How sadly predictable. How predictable, also, that pro-government activists say that he had it coming.

Stop... what? Am I hearing you right? There are activists advocating the murder of people who implicate the government? What do you mean by activists? Is there a Argentenians-united-against-implicating-our-government-for-anything organization which holds demonstrations? Are there people touring the country and explaining to people why it is so important to not question the government? How can there be activists?

Sadly killing people to cover up their corruption seems to be the rule rather now for South America's Bolivarian regimes. Even semi-Bolivarian Brazil is no exception.

Since the beginning of the investigation, seven witnesses have been found dead.

Boy...

 

[Takhisis]

What a terrible shaving accident!

The man might just have been playing keepy-uppy with a bullet and thrown it too high up at some point, but it doesn't seem to be a very plausible hypothesis.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Poor fella. He didn't deserve to go out that way. One slip in the bathroom, and now you're six feet under.

 

[Takhisis]

Sadly killing people to cover up their corruption seems to be the rule rather now for South America's Bolivarian regimes. Even semi-Bolivarian Brazil is no exception.

Pffft, only seven witnesses killed, eight in all, statistically nothing.

vergonha!

Stop... what? Am I hearing you right?

Yes. In detail:
>There are activists advocating the murder of people who implicate the government? Of course there are. Most of the time they're not so open, but they've been growing more virulent over the past twelve years.
>What do you mean by activists?
People who 'spontaneously' find a devotion to a political cause, usually after being awarded sinecures.
>Is there a Argentenians-united-against-implicating-our-government-for-anything organization which holds demonstrations?
Several. The main idea behind Peronism (and this is something that I myself heard one of their leaders say, in person) is that it's wrong for anyone but themselves to be in power and that ti's also wrong to try to holed them accountable for what they do while in office.
It's noticeable that in 2011 the Presidentess was sworn into office and she chose to swear by the memory of her husband instead of the more traditional to God and/or the country.
>Are there people touring the country and explaining to people why it is so important to not question the government?
You'd be surprised. That was done exactly as you described in the first bout of Peronist government (1943-55). Now they usually just employ local branches, but they keep touring bands of supporters who are paid and/or bullied to attend rallies and make it seem as if people actually agree with official policies and statements.
>How can there be activists?
As I said above, pay and ye shall find.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Well, wow. Curious country, this is.

 

[luiz]

Stop... what? Am I hearing you right? There are activists advocating the murder of people who implicate the government? What do you mean by activists? Is there a Argentenians-united-against-implicating-our-government-for-anything organization which holds demonstrations? Are there people touring the country and explaining to people why it is so important to not question the government? How can there be activists?

Unfortunately that's very common behavior. If you make any criticism of Argentina's Kirchner, or Venezuela's Maduro, or Bolivia's Morales, or Brazil's Lula / Dilma you can expect to be massacred by the government-controlled press (all these governments control directly or indirectly TV stations, radio stations, newspapers and etc) as well as harassed verbally or even physically by pro-government goons.

In Brazil it's reaching the heights of a grand farce. Even judges who investigate corruption scandals involving government-owned companies are now subject to non-stop harassment. Not to mention the theories they bring forth about why some judges should not be allowed to head a case. The one investigating the biggest of all corruption scandals is being accused of once having written an article praising Italy's Clean Hands operation, so he is "anti-politician" and biased. Another is said to be biased against the government because his grandfather was a conservative. And so on.

Boy...

The killed even the waiter who last saw the mayor!

Pffft, only seven witnesses killed, eight in all, statistically nothing.

vergonha!

Unfortunately that's the thought process of a lot of their fanboys. What are 8 dead people, when the survival of the People's Government is at stake?

 

[Takhisis]

Well, wow. Curious country, this is.

Argentina's been frozen in time politically since the 1940s. The US backed several military coups in succession which actually legitimised Peronism by overthrowing their governments and then proscribing your candidates. Peronism, on their part, did their best to destroy the social-democratoid Radicals, because they were the only other party with widespread popular support and who were also proscribed at times by the military governments.

After the last bout of military rule both the officers leading the coup and the leaders of guerilla/paramilitary/terrorist groups were tried for human rights abuses and then convicted and jailed by the Radicals. As soon as Peronism got back in power they issued a general amnesty. Yay!

Unfortunately that's very common behavior. If you make any criticism of Argentina's Kirchner, or Venezuela's Maduro, or Bolivia's Morales, or Brazil's Lula / Dilma you can expect to be massacred by the government-controlled press (all these governments control directly or indirectly TV stations, radio stations, newspapers and etc) as well as harassed verbally or even physically by pro-government goons.

I remember the 'popular trials' held by pro-government groups downtown, in which 'enemy' journalists, writers and the like were 'judged' and declared to be 'guilty', with government officials looking on amusedly. I also remember government-funded expos where portraits of said 'enemy' journalists, intellectuals, etc. were shown and chidlren were told to spit on them. Peronism used to burn books back in the day, now they want to burn the writers.

Unfortunately that's the thought process of a lot of their fanboys. What are 8 dead people, when the survival of the People's Government is at stake?

That's the same process here, with idiots posting that anyone who makes trouble for the government deserves whatever might befall them.