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Armies: WOW!!!
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cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Very true. In fact, I might even consider building armies by hand. 
Masquerouge
Deity
How do you calculate the stats of your armies given the stats of the units in it ? Because I'm not sure I understand the "1/6" thing (ok, I'm sure I don't understand 
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Let's say you've got a 5.2.1, a 4.3.2 and a 2.2.1, what will the final results be after you put them in an army ?
)Let's say you've got a 5.2.1, a 4.3.2 and a 2.2.1, what will the final results be after you put them in an army ?
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
The 1/6 means the total army has an improvement of 1/6 over the unit stats. So, if you have all Cavarly, the attack strength goes from 6 to 7. (IIRC.)
Not sure about when you mix units, because I don't know if it averages them to attack or attacks with each one individually.
Not sure about when you mix units, because I don't know if it averages them to attack or attacks with each one individually.
Masquerouge
Deity
Yeah, that's what I thought, but some things are unclear, like the mixed units, and the rounding ; is it an upper rounding ? What about stats at 3 ? 1/6 of 3 being 0.5, will it become 3 or 4 ?
And 1/6 means only armies of powerful (thus late game) units take advantage of that, no ?
And 1/6 means only armies of powerful (thus late game) units take advantage of that, no ?
Arrian
Warlord
Are we really sure about this 1/6 bonus business? I don't recall my Cavalry armies displaying as 7/3/4, but rather 6/3/4. They're still friggin' awesome (I have 3 of them).
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Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
They won't display the stats, but the stats are increased.
ToadFaerie
Chieftain
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I never used armies all that much in vanilla civ. My first conquest game, I found out quickly that armies rule.
And it's a real pain when the Incas destroy all 5 armies I had defending the city I had just taken from them. They were attacking with cavalry, and I had infantry in them armies to boot!
And it's a real pain when the Incas destroy all 5 armies I had defending the city I had just taken from them. They were attacking with cavalry, and I had infantry in them armies to boot!
Masquerouge
Deity
Do you know more ? Or know where I can find more ?
aaglo
Furioso!
Unless you attack it with another army...
And for the record;
I killed an english swordsman-army (full health, inside a medium city) with one berserker attacking from a ship. It lost only 2 hitpoints during that attack
This was in medieval europe conquest
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
That doesn't surprise me. A Berserker has 6 attack and a Sword army only 2.
When evenly matched, however, Armies are awesome.
When evenly matched, however, Armies are awesome.
Catt
Emperor
Bamspeedy - have you or someone else tested this? I know it was mentioned as part of the Beta by a beta-tester and also described in Chieftesses strategy guide (written during beta) but based on the chat transcripts with Firaxis & BA, and also the limited documentation (soooo trustworthy
), I assumed that in the release version armies lost their combat bonus but got the free pillage instead as a matter of balance.
Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
I've always been a fan of armies despite all of the past controversy. However, with the new improvements in C3C I really really really am a fan of armies now! 
Masquerouge
Deity
YES ! I too need some cold hard facts
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
Originally posted by Catt
Bamspeedy - have you or someone else tested this? I know it was mentioned as part of the Beta by a beta-tester and also described in Chieftesses strategy guide (written during beta) but based on the chat transcripts with Firaxis & BA, and also the limited documentation (soooo trustworthy
No, haven't tested it, but when the stat bonuses were added in the beta, the stats of the units in the armies were not 'shown' to be stronger (riflemen were still displayed as being 4.6), but they certainly were stronger!
To put it another way-It's like the way scientists were in Civ3/PTW. The science output isn't shown to you, but they are giving you beakers! Just because the increased stats isn't displayed doesn't mean they aren't there.
Gogf
Indescribable
Yes it does. It need to be on a road the first turn, to pillage on the first turn.
Also, I can tell that the stats were increased, but it would make sense to display them.
Catt
Emperor
Wow! I decided to test it and confirm that they do indeed enjoy the expected combat bonus.
Short answer: They do!
Longer answer: I only tested armies on offense, and only tested whether or not they enjoy the base 1/6 bonus refenced, not the 1/4 bonus with the construction of the Miitary Academy.
How does the 1/6 base bonus work? You add the raw attack values of all the constituent units. You divide the total attack values by 6, and round down the result (or so it has been stated elsewhere). The rounded result is added to the army's attack value for purposes of combat resolution. For example, an army composed of 3 knights would have an effective "attack value" of 6 rather than the knights' normal 4. (3 units with 4 attack = 12 combined attack; 12/6 = 2; 2 added to knight attack of 4 = 6). So that 3 knight army becomes a 12HP, 3-move, 6 attack, 4 defense, blitz-enabled, pillage-without-cost war machine.
As alexman said in a different thread, think about an immortal army early in the ancient age
Again, I haven't tested defense, nor have I tested the effects of building the military academy (nor do I plan to).
In the interests of "civ scholarship" the following quote describes the test parameters I used so others can verify I haven't overlooked anything or made a mistake, and I'll post the .biq test scenario if anyone wants it.
Let the "armies too strong" debates begin
I personally wouldn't say TOO strong. Finally, they are really worth having.
At first, I was a bit ticked at not being able to use GLs to rush Great Wonders.
Now, I'm not sure I want to. An Army early on can make a huge difference, and literally allow you to steamroller your opponent.
I live in fear of the day I come across the AI that has one or more...
At first, I was a bit ticked at not being able to use GLs to rush Great Wonders.
Now, I'm not sure I want to. An Army early on can make a huge difference, and literally allow you to steamroller your opponent.
I live in fear of the day I come across the AI that has one or more...
Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
What really made me laugh at the unbelievers in the past was the way they all claimed that armies were useless and underpowered.
Now I'll laugh if they say that armies are too powerfull. Make up your mind kids, armies have always been, and always shall be great!
Now I'll laugh if they say that armies are too powerfull. Make up your mind kids, armies have always been, and always shall be great!
Not so, Moff-man.
Time was, armies were hardly worth the cost of the units you threw into them. When you're rolling through your enemy's countryside, a three-cavelry army was great at taking out tough defenders in well-fortified cites, but that single attack and real slow heal-rate were major drawbacks.
Now, you don't lose any of your attacks (in fact, you GAIN attacks, in some cases), plus you have modifiers galore. Way cool!
Time was, armies were hardly worth the cost of the units you threw into them. When you're rolling through your enemy's countryside, a three-cavelry army was great at taking out tough defenders in well-fortified cites, but that single attack and real slow heal-rate were major drawbacks.
Now, you don't lose any of your attacks (in fact, you GAIN attacks, in some cases), plus you have modifiers galore. Way cool!
