Art and Lore

[Opera]

What's the value of the apostrophe?

 

[Valkrionn]

What's the value of the apostrophe?

It looks better than Dtesh?

 

[Cyrusfan]

It's the capitalization of the "T". It makes the apostrophe look bigger.

 

[Opera]

Well, it could have a (phonetic) value. But I didn't expect it to

 

[Valkrionn]

Well, it could have a (phonetic) value. But I didn't expect it to

Not really, no. All it really does is tell you that it is composed of two disctinct sounds (Da and Tesh). But that should be fairly clear just from having those two letters next to each other.

 

[Opera]

Da?!
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And you expect people to pronounce it "Datesh" when it's written "D'tesh"? I thought people pronounced it "Deetesh". At least I pronounce it like that.

 

[Valkrionn]

Da?!
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And you expect people to pronounce it "Datesh" when it's written "D'tesh"? I thought people pronounced it "Deetesh". At least I pronounce it like that.

I always pronounce it rather like "Da Tesh". With 'da' being pronounced similarly to 'the'. Need to look up proper notation for that so I can be clear while explaining it, but I'm lazy.

 

[Grey Fox]

I always pronounce it rather like "Da Tesh". With 'da' being pronounced similarly to 'the'. Need to look up proper notation for that so I can be clear while explaining it, but I'm lazy.

Heh, I am with Opera on this. I've always pronounced it Deetesh. 'Da' to me is nowhere near 'the'. When I see 'Da' I think of the Russian word. I can see how 'Da' could have the same meaning as 'the', but not how it could be pronounced similar.

 

[Jabie]

I'm not sure about Barbatos. I know D'tesh himself is stronger, as he controls the Opalus Mortalis. It's not terribly important though, seeing as he's not in the game.

Could be a cool event for the D'tesh though. If they own the Broken Sepulchre and have the Sorcery tech, Barbatos offers to join them in return for 1 Death Mana. If they refuse he (and a small retinue of his own forces) goes Barbarian and starts attacking their empire.

The Sidar could have a similar event where Barbatos rises but if they slay him they get a free Golden Age.

 

[Valkrionn]

Heh, I am with Opera on this. I've always pronounced it Deetesh. 'Da' to me is nowhere near 'the'. When I see 'Da' I think of the Russian word. I can see how 'Da' could have the same meaning as 'the', but not how it could be pronounced similar.

Suppose the best way for me to write it would actually be Duh Tesh.

Yeah, the word you are talking about uses a completely different form of the 'a' sound. My explanations for how things sound typically suck until I go check things; Which is what I did this time.

Could be a cool event for the D'tesh though. If they own the Broken Sepulchre and have the Sorcery tech, Barbatos offers to join them in return for 1 Death Mana. If they refuse he (and a small retinue of his own forces) goes Barbarian and starts attacking their empire.

The Sidar could have a similar event where Barbatos rises but if they slay him they get a free Golden Age.

I don't think Barbatos would be willing to be subordinate to D'tesh, and D'tesh would NOT take him as anything else. There would be no peaceful sublimation there.

 

[Randomness]

I have to say that I, to, thought it was pronounced dee tesh and will not be able to change it now

 

[Valkrionn]

I'm not sure where you people are getting the 'ee' sound. Well, I know where, guess why is the better question.

I pronounce it the way I do because it is the shortest pronunciation, and IMO the best transfer from 'D' to 'T'. A soft d makes for a much smoother transition to a hard t than a hard d does.

 

[Opera]

Well, either way you pronounce the 'd' the same way. It's the vowel that changes.
'Dee' is simply how you pronounce the letter 'd', like one you spell out a word, you don't say 'duh', you say 'dee'.

(PS: Yeah, you explaining sounds sucks)

 

[Valkrionn]

Well, either way you pronounce the 'd' the same way. It's the vowel that changes.
'Dee' is simply how you pronounce the letter 'd', like one you spell out a word, you don't say 'duh', you say 'dee'.

(PS: Yeah, you explaining sounds sucks)

Yes, my explanations suck.

And yes, I'm aware of how you say the letter D on it's own.

I just don't see why you'd use that form with the name D'tesh, given that it is NOT on it's own. In no other word that I can think of is that the norm. Door (which uses the same sound I use, actually), Diary, Dog, whatever. In none of them do you use the same sound you use when the letter is on it's own.

 

[Opera]

In those words, is the letter 'd' followed by an apostrophe? To me it's as if the apostrophe was a dash: "D-Tesh".

 

[inuyashasama]

I always pronounced it as Duh'Tesh.

 

[Valkrionn]

In those words, is the letter 'd' followed by an apostrophe? To me it's as if the apostrophe was a dash: "D-Tesh".

I can see that, but like I said in an earlier post... I don't think the apostrophe does anything other than make it look better.

 

[Opera]

Well that's a typically annoying use of apostrophes

Note also that I'm not a native speaker, so that may be why.

 

[Valkrionn]

Well that's a typically annoying use of apostrophes

Note also that I'm not a native speaker, so that may be why.

I'll grant you the 'annoying' use.

It still looks better than Dtesh.

 

[inuyashasama]

I find apostrophes a lot in fantasy literature, in fact, so much that apostrophed names now scream "FANTASY!" at me.

I had no trouble figuring out how D'Tesh was pronounced.