Asian Leaderhead Mega pack

[ShiroKobbure]

hows this?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I just sometimes feel anger that people on US money or US idols in history killed and tried to erase the Native Americans, America isnt even European land. But the Japanese that did the same are seen as monsters... sorry just my mind sometimes

Americans are monsters Shiro. Have been in the past and are now.

Topgun: One who kills millions threw an ideology of hate such as Hitler is evil no matter if he wins or loses. That is like saying that had Columbus not discovered the New World, the US wouldn't exist, therefore it doesn't exist. You are a more reasonable person than that surely.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

his point was history is written by the winner, if the nazis had won we would probably remember the nazis for the highways, rockety and jet power, and their corage on the battlefield, because they would be writting history. Usually the victory isnt seen in bad light. We usually dont think about the Russian war crimes of WW2, because they were on the winning side.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

That is true unfortunately. Its also probably why the Nazis are considered more evil than the communists(when in reality they really aren't that different). Its probably also why the American genicide of native americans isn't mentioned much and only briefly in US textbooks in schools. I remember three or four years ago when I was in 11th grade about reading a very brief description of the trail of tears, and the book had nothing but good things to say about Andrew Jackson.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

its because you want to teach pride in people, no one wants to hear the bad about their country that isnt good for national pride, it is understandable I suppose.
anyways
back to the heads

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

BTW Shiro, why does Firaxis' Genghis look nothing like him?

 

[ShiroKobbure]

no one knows what genghis khan looks like. We have an arab, european and chinese depections of him, all different and all show their own culture imposed onto his face and clothing. Very few of the civ 3 heads look like the peope

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

BTW Shiro, why does Firaxis' Genghis look nothing like him?

We should also ask why Wang Kon looks like Uncle Fester with a beard pasted on.

No one really knows who many of these leaders really looked like, as Shiro pointed out. But it's very odd that Firaxis did not even consult classical sources or pictures of the local people to get some idea.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

It is sort of insulting to tradition as well. I think the classical descriptions(the Chinese one being the most accurate) are diffinitely much more close to history than "pruneface" lol

 

[ShiroKobbure]

I belive that portart of genghis khan is from the Yaun dynasty durring Kubli khans rule, so it may not be "accurate" at all... ^ ^;;

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Maybe but I like to stay true to tradition. Tradition is good

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

I belive that portart of genghis khan is from the Yaun dynasty durring Kubli khans rule, so it may not be "accurate" at all... ^ ^;;

Kublai was the grandson of Genghis Khan (and Kublai was born around 1215 CE and Genghis died around 1227 CE). So people at the time might have known or had some idea what Genghis looked like. Kublai also did sponsor the arts (thus we do have several portraits of Kublai; though they're possibly idealized, as are many portraits of rulers ), so I'd imagine that he'd also sponsor artists to paint portraits of Genghis Khan, his famous/infamous grandfather. And if I recall correctly, Genghis Khan might have taken Persian artists along to depict his campaigns.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mongol1.jpg
by the way I think I got his face down pretty well. Just mines a little younger

 

[Quinzy]

wow. they are very close. fantastic job.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

which background do you like?
Does Atilla's face look too arab?

 

[egroen]

But the Japanese that did the same are seen as monsters...

Please correct me if I am wrong, but weren't japanese leaders and war criminals essentially deified? Yes, the US is partially responsible for allowing japan's culpability to wash away, but truth be told, the japanese were every bit as brutal as the nazis were (mass genocide, biological and chemical warfare, slavery, human testing labs... ) and have paid little to none of what Germany has in reperations, criminal trials and national remorse.

So many of us are familiar with the nazi atrocities, but many westerners do not even realize there was another holocaust going on at the time (and my impression is many japanese do not even know).

Sorry, did not mean to threadjack! I'm half US/Euro and half Iranian so I know my own sh!t stinks, did not mean to imply it doesn't.

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

which background do you like?
Does Atilla's face look too arab?

I think it looks good. Doesn't seem to "Arab" to me.

The second background looks better. The first one seems too bright and distracting.

 

[jorde]

I spent a couple of hours searching for decent Poser content and there's an appalling lack of Chinese stuff for Poser. And there's no Mongol or Korean stuff either. The only "Asian" stuff available for free is Japanese (or stuff based on Western stereotypes of Japanese culture ). Even the content on sale has a lack of decent "Asian" stuff.

Well, once I found a couple of sites with some decent chinese and japanese props, clothing and textures (or at least they were for my westernized vision of that culture). Most of them (if not all) were created by asian people anyway. Too bad I can't remember their addresses, and that I didn't download practically anything from any of them, and that they might be offline now, just like the ones posted a long time here in a topic at the Tutorials subforum (some of which had some great medieval European models for free download)

 

[ShiroKobbure]

egroen- Hmmm slavery, mass genocide, biological warfare? Sounds like whate the Spanish, English and Americans did for 400 years to the native americans. And the african slave trade? There was never justice handed to them, and the people resposible for this are still seen has heros. You wear a shirt with Andrew Jackson and your a pariot, I wear a shirt with Emperor Showa or Tojo and I will be hasseled.
By the way we still pay to China and Korea, and every month there is some protest by Chinese and Koreans buring Japanese flags. Whens the last time people in Isreal or Eastern Europe burn German flags? If Germany wins a soccer game are there riots in france? Alot of Japanese are afriad to have pride in their country. Our prime minister cant even visit a shrine to honor fallen soldiers of our country.
What we did is nothing comparied to the West, and yet we cant have a "real" military, we have US military bases all over our country, US soldiers do whatever they want in Okinawa with no cosenquences.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Yes Japan was and still is treated very horribly for what happened, so nobody can say that Japan got away with anything. But still in my mind Japan is its own sovereign nation and should be able to not be chained down to what happened 3/4s of a century ago. And China of all places shouldn't be forcing Japan to be paying for past war crimes...