Abaddon
Deity
Do you give change to tramps
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Well, great! That is settled once and for all. Settled for all time, and doesn't not need to be questioned. You don't need to worry about it ever again. Don't even think of it.
The act of FAITH is actually NOT worrying about it, trusting it.
"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God". So, don't be shy about reading the Bible! Especially the little books of Paul: Colossians, Philippians, Ephesians, Galatians. They are perfect for you.
God bless you. And don't worry. You did all that is necessary. Now, just try to enjoy it. Perfect love casts out all fear!
What is odd is that you assume that the answer "NO!" or "WAIT!" doesn't exist as an answer to prayer. It does. God says, "No" quite often. He says, "Wait!" even more often.
My answer was obviously too brief. What I meant was that the Christian community would have more difficult accepting a man into their ranks, in leadership especially, who persecuted their own.
And yes, persecuting those for their beliefs, is very heinous.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
why do christian charities refuse to help homosexuals? (or so ive heard...)
Swedishguy
Deity
Why do you ask Atheists why they don't believe in God?
We're going in circles.
You earlier stated that someone of sufficient faith would be intune enough with God that they would not pray for things that God would deny. If you don't have sufficient faith to do this, why assume you have sufficient faith in Jesus to be saved?
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I can present another challenge; how much scriptural support do you have to show that believers will commonly (or almost always) have their requests denied by God? In the real world, we assume that most prayers won't be granted (especially if they're improbable); but that's just a memetic survival trait. Why should a believer, who places his trust in the god described in the Bible, NOT expect to have their request granted? edit: for example; any instances of a request being denied for reasons other than a lack of faith?
(and, to prevent people from putting the cart before the horse; it's not that a person gets their prayers granted to give them faith. Jesus promises that people's faith will lead to prayers being granted, a completely different scenario)
And I'd like people's answers to focus on scriptural support. Any additional doctrine is as meaningless as my statement "God does not answer prayers. The God of the Bible does not exist"
The Bible teaches us how to evaluate our leaders, how to tell if they are wolves in sheep's clothing.
We are told not to judge our brother. That is referring to the rank and file. But we are responsible for our leaders. These can be removed and must be removed as leaders if they do not show "fruit".
Here is the passage:
As you can see, this passage is referring the LEADERS, not rank and file.
I am in the middle of a huge debate on another forum about this exact passage in regards to Pat Robertson. People say he is a false prophet, etc. But we are given direct instructions on how to discover if someone is a false prophet.
2 Peter discusses it extensively:
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=2 Peter+2&version=31
and the book of 1 John also discusses it.
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1 John+4&version=31
Basically, it has to do with encouraging sexual immorality, and how they raise their own children, a man is not allowed to have any any esteem in the church without having children that are raised as Christians, not as hellraisers who get arrested for underage drinking, attending the #1 party school in America, etc. A leader must show that he generally respects authority, that he does not USE the gospel to further his ambition.
A conservative Christian news website that I know complained in 2000 that one of the first things that Bush did when he gained office, is to raid with a military force operation, a church in order to shut it down. They did not believe in the 501(c)3 restrictions and they were penalized by the IRS. They were raided for not paying taxes. This was seen as an egregious act against the church, and did not auger well for the future.
Here is the website where you can get the gist of it:
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1 John+4&version=31
Plus, this guy wrote a book about Bush using Evangelicals:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15228489/
which was what we all suspected.
Some do, some do under certain conditions, some don't. I imagine, I don't have specifics.
Probably because believing in God comes naturally to us, and seems to be the natural human condition, so they find exceptions odd.
Katheryn: I didn't need your additional proofs, though thanks. I needed you to answer the question "Would you say that a major portion of your certainty in this is due to an "answer" to your intercessions for him?"
You think he might not be a Christian due to his actions; are you certain because of your prayers?
You think he might not be a Christian due to his actions; are you certain because of your prayers?
Veritass
Emperor
Why would that be bull?
From the Bahai web page: "Some people view the worlds religions as opposing groups competing for supporters. Baháulláh did not see it that way. He said they were all one. Their central truths are harmonized; the social laws, however, change according to the times. Recognizing this unity among religions will help us create a peaceful global society. You are invited to join us."
They join a long line of seekers who are looking for what unites people instead of what divides people, and try to find the golden thread of truth in all of the holy writings of the past.
I for one don't believe that - and don't consider it inherent;y better than saying that only one path is correct - but I don't see it as ridiculous.
Swedishguy
Deity
How cán you not believe Bush is a christian? He doesn't act like one? Oh, I believe that is quite common, he just happens to be a president.
I'd say alot of people are poor Christians, it's not an easy religion to follow, it still makes you a Christian, but somewhat more in name only.
Saying that your a Christian because you go to church is no more correct than saying your an automobile because you go to a garage.
I forget who said that.
Billy Sunday, baseball player turned radio preacher.
Trajan12
Deity
If you believe without a doubt in Jesus and God, you are Christian enough for me. I don't take the liberty of grading others level of faith. That's not my place.
Homie
Anti-Lefty
Their central truths are harmonized? Again, I state, BULL! Have these people a clue what they are talking about? Islam, Christianity and Hinduism have harmonized central truths? Do I honestly need to utterly destroy this claim by picking apart the religions and showing how their central tenets are opposing?Veritas said:
Wish-wash hippy nonsense with no substance and no Veritas. Doesn't veritas mean truth? So going by your nick, you should be appalled at this religion's "tenets".
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Some do, some dont. Cant get into detail about that.
Because we find it wierd not to believe in God because we find that it is natural to believe in God.
Homie
Anti-Lefty
El_Mac said:
We don't. The "level of belief" required would be the same, I assume. So why don't more Christians move mountains? Because we find it way easier to fully, 100% believe that we will be saved by faith in Christ than that a mountain will move if we command it. So its just easier to reach that level of faith in Christ.
Homie
Anti-Lefty
No, its just that our faith in Christ is stronger than our faith in being able to walk on water.El Mac said:
bob bobato
L'imparfait
Question for protestants, from a catholic. Do you really dress up for mass? I dont think ive ever seen anyone wear their 'sunday best' to mass, even a holiday.
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