Ask a Dutchman!

All right, here's a few questions:
- Do people you know actually wear clogs on a regular basis?
- How safe is it to live in the areas that are below sea level?
- What do you think are the chances of the national football team in Euro2012?
 
All right, here's a few questions:
- Do people you know actually wear clogs on a regular basis?
Me? Never.
However, since my parents moved to a rural community my dad does wear them. For the simple reason that when he wears them outside the mud etc. will stick to it and when entering the house the clogs are left outside at the door. So your feet and your house won't get muddy and the wood is a perfect material for mud.

- How safe is it to live in the areas that are below sea level?
I have never lived there myself, but it's very safe. Once every 10 or 15 years a small section is in danger and people have to be evacuated. Compare that to living in an earthquake zone; a hurricane area or near a volcano.

- What do you think are the chances of the national football team in Euro2012?
Very good, but not as good as in 2010. They're now slightly over the top. Hopefully Spain is as well and Germany still not on top.
 
Each time I flipped to dutch TV (while living in Germany) it was usually something weird, like flying frogs, a guy wearing a silly hat doing a silly dance,
Are you talking about Kabouter Plop? :D That's actually a Flemish tv-program for children, which is also quite popular in the Netherlands. As a matter of fact, I think silly children's programs are one of our mayor export products to The Netherlands :crazyeye: . When I was little (> 20 years ago), it used to be the other way around...
 
Are you talking about Kabouter Plop? :D That's actually a Flemish tv-program for children, which is also quite popular in the Netherlands. As a matter of fact, I think silly children's programs are one of our mayor export products to The Netherlands :crazyeye: . When I was little (> 20 years ago), it used to be the other way around...
When I grew up (say between 1980 and 1985) Flemish children programs were already very popular. We all grew up with Tik Tak and Het Liegebeest :)
 
I think those are only on national TV though.(We used to have only 3 national TV channels, but nowadays there´s more commercial and regional channels.)

Do you eat chocolate sprinkles with everything?

Errr, no. I´m more of a peanut butter guy. :lol:

Interesting topic :)
(Oh, and Jeelen, I'm from Leiden too!)

Oh hi. (But I´m not originally from Leiden.) ;)

I have family living there.... awful people :p

But that does raise a question: any of you went to Serious Request? ;)


*Gele vla(yellow vla) is supposed to be Vanille vla. But most of the brands are extremely yellow, only if you buy biological vla the colour is more vanillalooking.

Some common Leydeners can be pretty simple, I guess...

No on the Serious Request (it´s a radio special for a yearly benefit occasion, BTW)

Vla is one of our dairy products (yoghurt and cheese being obvious others), which I personally find too sweet (Dutch put sugar in everything, it´s even allowed in meat produce), I always preferred blanke vla (no vanilla added, but still with sugar, obviously).

Maybe we were watching the "special" Dutch channel ;) It was free-to-air stuff that we received on our dish.. or hm.. antenna of some sort. I think it was about 3-4 channels, I'm guessing from the eastern part of the country

Yes, we do have regional TV channels. Again, I don´t know these, but it might explain the weirdness. :mischief:

All right, here's a few questions:
- Do people you know actually wear clogs on a regular basis?
- How safe is it to live in the areas that are below sea level?
- What do you think are the chances of the national football team in Euro2012?

In agreement with Meleet here:

- clogs usually only feature in certain tourist/rural locations (like Volendam), and even there they have became a bit of a rarity
- as long as the dykes are kept a par with rising sea levels thinsg should be okay; we´ve had some minor floodings, but nothing as serious as in 1953.
 
All right, here's a few questions:
- Do people you know actually wear clogs on a regular basis?
Yes, a friend and a few former classmates from highschool. The thing is that they lived/live on a farm and they wore their clogs there but as soon as they came to the city/school they would wear shoes.
Errr, no. I´m more of a peanut butter guy. :lol:
meh... to sticky
Some common Leydeners can be pretty simple, I guess...
you know I was joking, right? ;)
No on the Serious Request (it´s a radio special for a yearly benefit occasion, BTW)
Jup, I love it. I can't wait for next year. I am definitely visiting it then :D
Vla is one of our dairy products (yoghurt and cheese being obvious others), which I personally find too sweet (Dutch put sugar in everything, it´s even allowed in meat produce), I always preferred blanke vla (no vanilla added, but still with sugar, obviously).
I prefer the biological brand... but it's a bit more expensive and I do prefer the yellow kind above blanke vla so we have the yellow kind most of the time.
 
For non-Dutchies: Vla is very much like custard :) Only a bit more liquid and as said sweeter.

Edit:
Oh, and for Americans who don't know what custard means, custard the British English word for 'cornstarch pudding' (according to Wikipedia).
 
and ofcourse the ´animal cops´, that have been installed and are now supposed to put a check on the nationwide animal abuse that apparently threatens the Netherlands after centuries of ´mass immigration´.
Can you explain this a bit?
I don't even really understand what this is about. Wild animals, like in the woods? Farm animals? Stray cats?
And what's the alleged abuse?
And don't you have this animal welfare party in parliament? What do they say about this?

I'm sorry if i sound stupid, but i'm really confused... :confused:
 
Not at all . To start with the last, the Animal Party supported this government initiative, which was mocked by both the opposition and the police (not in public, but his information was leaked). My personal opinion is that is just one more americanism, that apparently we must have too! I was being sarcastic: there is no epidemic of animal abuse, there aren´t even reports that animal abuse is on the rise (child abuse is, but hey, who cares about that). The police, who obviously needed to implement this brilliant idea, apparently were afraid they are now to spend resources on a non-existant problem. The whole idea is one example of the politcial impractical mindset of Wilders´ party, where it originated. (Other examples are a proposed ban on burqas - as if Dutch cities are flooded by women refugees from Afghanistan -, and opposition against social-service-type punishments vs imprisonment. The first proposal was rejected in its present form on judicial grounds by the Council of State, while a spokesperson for Wilders PVV party during deliberations in parliament apparently didn´t understand statistics - showing that imprisoned convicts frequently commit more crimes afterwards than those submitted to social-service-type punishments. Despite this judges have been punishing crimes more severe for years, that is, from before the PVV started demanding more severe punishments. Not too mention that crime is actually decreasing, so much so that we now have penitentiaries that are either empty or being used by Belgium.)

So in short, yes, we do have animal abuse reports, but nothing in the order of magnitude that would justify an animal cops force.
 
How much do you learn about the history Dutch Empire, specifically the Dutch East Indies, in school? Is it taught in a negative, positive or neutral fashion?

Is time given to things like the Rawagede Massacre? I noticed your government officially apologized for this last month. Was that big news there?
 
How much do you learn about the history Dutch Empire, specifically the Dutch East Indies, in school? Is it taught in a negative, positive or neutral fashion?
We are thaught about the Dutch Empire but it is horribly biased. The role of the Dutch played with the slave trade is hardly acknowledged and so are all the other "black pages".
For instance; the curricullum teaches enough to know about the events that took place and how the Dutch East Indies developed. However the curricullum doesn't teach us how the natives were treated. It depends on the teacher whether or not you learn this. But even if you have a teacher that goes into it there just isn't enough time to go into everything.
Is time given to things like the Rawagede Massacre? I noticed your government officially apologized for this last month. Was that big news there?
They did? Didn't know that...
To get back on our history lessons, I didn't even know it was called the Rawagede Massacre... (I knew this had occured but that comes mainly because I'm interested in history)
 
We are thaught about the Dutch Empire but it is horribly biased. The role of the Dutch played with the slave trade is hardly acknowledged and so are all the other "black pages".
For instance; the curricullum teaches enough to know about the events that took place and how the Dutch East Indies developed. However the curricullum doesn't teach us how the natives were treated. It depends on the teacher whether or not you learn this. But even if you have a teacher that goes into it there just isn't enough time to go into everything.

I suppose that's understandable. The Netherlands has a long and fairly complex history, so it makes sense that some things would have to be glossed over. It's sad that certain unfortunate events end up being relatively unknown, but I can also see how teaching some of the more directly relevant history has its value in making the average Dutchman or Dutchwoman a more informed citizen when there is so much to cover. As long as everything being taught isn't nationalistic drivel, it's better than nothing I suppose.

Similarly, in the United States we never learn about things like the My Lai Massacre. While this is sad and I really wish topics like this were covered a little better, I can't say it's more important than learning the actual causes and repercussions of the Vietnam War in general.

They did? Didn't know that...
To get back on our history lessons, I didn't even know it was called the Rawagede Massacre... (I knew this had occured but that comes mainly because I'm interested in history)

I had heard of the massacre as well, but also was not directly aware of what exactly transpired or even the name of the massacre until recently. I mostly learned about it after randomly reading a news article on the court case and apology a few days ago.

Here is the article if you're curious: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14923160
 
How much do you learn about the history Dutch Empire, specifically the Dutch East Indies, in school? Is it taught in a negative, positive or neutral fashion?
We learned about it through the book Max Havelaar. And it was quite negative.

I only heard about the Rawagede Massacre when the government issued the apology.
 
How much do you learn about the history Dutch Empire, specifically the Dutch East Indies, in school? Is it taught in a negative, positive or neutral fashion?

Is time given to things like the Rawagede Massacre? I noticed your government officially apologized for this last month. Was that big news there?

Well I can´t speak for others, and being interested in history from early on, I am not ignorant about the negative aspects of Dutch colonial history. The slave trade definitely was on my high school curriculum (it was a major part of the Dutch West India Co.´s trade).

As for Dutch atrocities in the East Indies, I was aware of them from the Aceh Wars (late 19th century), which rounded up the conquest of present day Indonesia, the book Max Havelaar by Multatuli (a favourite writer), as well as from the intervention during the Indonesian war of independence.

As for Rawagede, I can´t recall if it was specifically mentioned in school (I suspect it wasn´t), but I did know about it. The Dutch postwar record in recognizing war crimes isn´t very good. For instance, captain Westerling was never confronted with his atrocities: he was transferred, that was it. (There is a remarkable coincidence with the treatment of confiscated Jewish property during WW II, where, instead of giving a claimant the benefit of the doubt, he has to prove the property was his when it was robbed by Nazis or collaborators.)

This contrasts starkly with the treatment of the slavery issue: for instance, streets named after dubious nationals have been frequently renamed, and statues of such persons have been moved or removed entirely. Despite claims to the contrary by Wilders and the like, the Netherlands are very much a multi-cultural society (and for the most part immigrants integrate well).

We are thaught about the Dutch Empire but it is horribly biased. The role of the Dutch played with the slave trade is hardly acknowledged and so are all the other "black pages".
For instance; the curricullum teaches enough to know about the events that took place and how the Dutch East Indies developed. However the curricullum doesn't teach us how the natives were treated. It depends on the teacher whether or not you learn this. But even if you have a teacher that goes into it there just isn't enough time to go into everything.)

I can´t say that I share this experience. But we had a fairly good history teacher. Also, I don´t quite see how you can miss out on those black pages without misrepresenting actual history. The slave trade, South Africa, Indonesia: these are major part of Dutch colonial and post-colonial history.

What concerns me more is that knowledge of (Dutch) history seems to declining rather than increasing among the general population. On the other hand, history teaching has improved since the discipline was first started in the 19th century, when it was very biased indeed.

Similarly, in the United States we never learn about things like the My Lai Massacre. While this is sad and I really wish topics like this were covered a little better, I can't say it's more important than learning the actual causes and repercussions of the Vietnam War in general.

This surprises me: for one, the My Lai massacre was big news when it was revealed, even though itself was an incident. (But that´s a personal observation, as previous posters have indicated that Dutch atrocities in Indonesia aren´t well known either.)
 
This surprises me: for one, the My Lai massacre was big news when it was revealed, even though itself was an incident. (But that´s a personal observation, as previous posters have indicated that Dutch atrocities in Indonesia aren´t well known either.)

I think it might get a sentence or two in some in high school text books (when the war is usually discussed) but it still gets basically no real time. I don't ever remember writing about it or seeing it come up in need-to-know curriculum, even for the American history AP testing. On the other hand, things like the Kent State Shootings get a lot of coverage.
 
What the Dutch think of Greece?

Is there any communism in Netherlands?
 
Assuming you´re referring to the eurocrisis, I´d have to say that popular opinion runs something along the line of ´the Greeks should pay their dues´. (You may - or may not - recall that the Netherlands were one of the countries that voted against the ´European constitution´ in the referendum held under the previous government.) With Wilders´ PVV supporting the current government, I suppose that´s to be expected. The EU - and negative things associated with it - aren´t too popular currently; this in spite of the fact that we, being a trade country, are a net profiter of the EU. The government stance then reflects this position in its demands for firm guarantees in the ongoing negotiations for a European reserve fund.

As for Communism: the Dutch Communist Party ceased to exist, it being one of the founding members of the Green Left party in 1991 - which is definitely not Communist. The closest thing to a Communist party today is the Socialist Party, which however is populist rather than Communist. In 1992 a marginal New Communist Party was organized, which however is so small, that it holds no seats in parliament (it currently hold 3 seats in 2 community councils).
 
Are you talking about Kabouter Plop? :D That's actually a Flemish tv-program for children, which is also quite popular in the Netherlands. As a matter of fact, I think silly children's programs are one of our mayor export products to The Netherlands :crazyeye: . When I was little (> 20 years ago), it used to be the other way around...

I'm not sure.. it's very possible! I don't remember many details about Dutch tv, but I do remember that each time we turned it on it was something strange :lol: We were actually quite fond of it, but didn't watch it too much, as we couldn't understand 90% of the language.
 
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