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It is known that ve all live in Amerika, and that it is wunderbar, but the fifth doesn't apply in my hemisphere.

I know, I just really wanted to use that phrase some time.

Why is it misleading, many conurbations have lots of green and agriculture :)

The reason I think it's misleading because the urban areas aren't even remotely connected: most of what's called the Randstad actually consists of agricultural land (the Dutch flowerbeds are part of it), small towns, small wooded areas, waterareas (lots of it). You can travel through the whole of the Randstad without ever having to enter any of the larger cities or even being in earshot of any of them.
 
Clearly the Netherlands should invade Luxembourg and then Belgium, to establish the Greater Beneluxian Kingdom.
 
meh, we just take that part of Germany, that they still owe us from WW2*, on the way.


*We talked about that here, right?
 
Maybe we should become a Bundesland in Germany. It wouldn't be bad for the economy, I think :p
I would support that if only to degrade Bavaria to second rank economically.
 
Yeah, that was basically a given. Prepare to pay lots of money as fiscal transfer though ;)
 
I don't think that's required :)
 
Why didn't I think of this punchline? :D
 
Clearly the Netherlands should invade Luxembourg and then Belgium, to establish the Greater Beneluxian Kingdom.

*To restore the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
 
They weren't meant to find out until it actually happened, you know.
 
Dang.

As to the aforementioned Santaclaus/Black Peter "controversy": it seems that every year the racism card is being played, somewhat obligatory, by certain commentators. Oddly absent in this "debate" are actual black people.

As to the history of St Nicolas' helper, it's somewhat obscure: there are no records of a helper before 1800. Then, in the course of the 19th century there appear Piets, Jans and what not. It's only around 1850 that Black Peter begins to surface. So all in all, the tradition, such as it is, isn't that long.

And I still don't really know what else to say about it. If black Dutchmen are fiercely opposed to Santaclaus' helper, it would be another thing.
 
I assume most Dutch folk are bilingual to a degree, but can any generalizations be made about the Dutch and the languages they know? I'm particularly interested in potential Dutch knowledge of German, French, and English.
 
English being obligatory in high school, I think passive knowledge is reasonable. There is the, probably undeniable, influence of television, and courses are sometimes given in English. Many bookstores have an English books section as well. Active knowledge, however, isn't as good as many may think, having given rise to the term Dunglish. A common error is translating literally from Dutch to English.

(A list of errors can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunglish. Lack of verification is obvious from the remark "The Dutch are a nation of undertakers" - ascribed to PM Den Uyl, whereas elsewhere it is attributed to PM Lubbers.)

I'm afraid knowledge of German (still an important trade partner) is significantly less widespread, although along the actual border I don't think people have trouble.

As to French, I'm not quite sure what to say about it other than that it is spoken by people actually interested in France/French. For most people it will be limited to what they encounter when holidaying in France, I reckon.

If anybody can correct me, feel free!
 
And I still don't really know what else to say about it. If black Dutchmen are fiercely opposed to Santaclaus' helper, it would be another thing.
Why would that matter? Would it otherwise not be a racist thing?
Personally, by the way, I do find it racist.
The good 'master' is white and the bad 'slave' is black. It's hard to deny it being racist.
Like said earlier, it's an image created in times of slavery
If anybody can correct me, feel free!
I guess you're about right, although must be said that most Dutch people (even though they won't admit it) can relatively easily understand German, even if they never had much (or any) German in school. As the language is very much akin to Dutch.

And indeed, English often comes with television (in contrast to most other countries movies and series aren't adlibbed, but subtitled) and the internet.
Most children get their first English lessons in school when they're about twelve years old, although they've often learned the language a lot earlier.

Fun fact, by the way: English is one of the Netherlands official secondary languages (along with Frisian and Papiamento).

As for French:
It used to be a language children were taught even in primary school years ago, but nowadays it's not obligatory.

There are two obligatory language courses one needs to do in secondary school, these are Dutch and English and then there's a whole range of facultative languages, depending on the school, such as French, German, Spanish, Russian, Italian, Arabic, Turkish, Frisian and Papiamento. Chinese isn't yet one of the language one can do a recognized course in secondary school in.

Personally I had Dutch, English, French, German and Spanish in secondary school.

Another fun fact:
Even though the French got their name from the Franks, the Dutch language evolved from the Frankish language.
 
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