Ask a muslim 3

[jtb1127]

I can expect thiss question and im prepared for it

I'm sure you were.

Also understand this was durring the time when the pagans where attacking the muslims because they where ruining there pagan economic system. its said that at the battle of badr, not only by religious but by historians that the muslims only had 313 men and the enemy had around 1000 better armed men. the muslims where victorious.

Ok, that's an interesting perspective.

I have another passage that I would like explained:

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

This one is particularly interesting because it uses (or at least this translation) uses the word terror. I'm not trying to say the religion is violent, I just want to see what you have to say about it.

in my opinion yes. mabey you arnt christian, might have gotten you confused with someone else

No, you have me confused with someone else. And what does it corrupt?

 

[jojorah]

I'm sure you were.


Ok, that's an interesting perspective.

I have another passage that I would like explained:


This one is particularly interesting because it uses (or at least this translation) uses the word terror. I'm not trying to say the religion is violent, I just want to see what you have to say about it.

No, you have me confused with someone else. And what does it corrupt?

Sorry!

That verse is referring to the day of judgment,thats in all of the abrahamic faiths. Concerning terrorism, the prophet (pbuh) said

"to fix evil with evil is evil, to fix evil with good is good"

sorry about the edit, looking for the right hadith

If you want i can pm you, im okay with looking like an idoit infront of one person .

 

[jtb1127]

I thought it basically meant "scare infidels because infidels go to hell".

 

[Cheetah]

'Terror' simply means 'causing fear' or 'the quality of causing fear/dread'.

What you read in 'causing fear' is debatable of course, but it needn't have anything to do with direct violence as such.

 

[emzie]

You're probably Shi'ite, heretic , you should probably ask a few Sunni's to help you so it can be a real ask a muslim thread, otherwise change it to ask a Shi'ite muslim.

If I'm correct Shi'ite's pray to god "via" saints. Why do you do that, isn't the core of Islam being that you are directly and always connected to god.

It's time to get over it.

 

[Hitti-Litti]

How strictly are the rules of fasting in Ramadan followed in your country? And what are the consequences for breaking the fast? My dad used to work in Iraq, he told that while the Muslim workers did fast during Ramadan, they weren't really uptight about it: they sometimes drank water during the day in secret or ate something small like grapes, and didn't seem to be really ashamed about it.

 

[jojorah]

How strictly are the rules of fasting in Ramadan followed in your country? And what are the consequences for breaking the fast? My dad used to work in Iraq, he told that while the Muslim workers did fast during Ramadan, they weren't really uptight about it: they sometimes drank water during the day in secret or ate something small like grapes, and didn't seem to be really ashamed about it.

Im in america, im not very good when it comes to spelling though, so im not as exotic as some people might think

Its a blessing to fast, and its only for your health,and character. theres a hadith where this women was so mad at her servent that her face turned red. The prophet (pbuh) came to her and told her to get something to eat. The women said "oh rasul Allah i am fasting for ramadan". The prophet (pbuh) responded saying "Allah does not need you to fast if you do not give up your anger".

It is also a minor sin to fast if your sick, and if your travelling you dont need to either.

 

[NovaKart]

In Turkey a lot of restaurants are open during Ramadan but people usually try to not eat in front of others so if you're at work and not fasting people are a bit secretive about it.

 

[kochman]

In the cases where the Koran contradicts itself, is it not true that the latter verse is the actual teaching of Islam? Per the Koran itself...

In this case, which verses came later?
The verses where it says not to take Jews and Christians as friends? Or verses where it says to love "People of the book"?

 

[jojorah]

In the cases where the Koran contradicts itself, is it not true that the latter verse is the actual teaching of Islam? Per the Koran itself...

In this case, which verses came later?
The verses where it says not to take Jews and Christians as friends? Or verses where it says to love "People of the book"?

Actually the meaning of the verse your talking about is telling us not to take jews and Christians as allys who are hostile towards us over muslim brothers, you know like certain middle eastern leaders have done....

This is the verse your referring to,

"O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide people who are unjust. (Quran 5:51)"

Also the quran explains its self latter

As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)

God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)

The holy quran also tells us not to generalize

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (Quran 3:113-114).

I see your trying to use the old abrogation thing, the prophets last sermon is a well known authentic hadith that shows his intentions towards the end of his life shown in th next post

 

[jojorah]

O People
Lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefor listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People
Just as you regard this month, this day, this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest); therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity.

Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all interest due to Abbas Ibn ‘Abd al Muttalib (the Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived.

Beware of Satan for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People
It is true that you have certain rights in regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives, only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat you women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People
Listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat.

Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people."

copy paste does miricales

 

[kiwitt]

How many of the tenets of "Sharia Law" are supported by majority of Muslims ?

The more barbaric aspects of these (stoning an adulterer, killing a girl because she got raped, honour killings, marrying children with old men, etc.), place Islam in a bad light and the western media have a habit of reporting these frequently. Even the subservience of a woman to the man is bad enough; The fact they have to cover themselves up, can't drive, can't vote, can't have normal jobs, etc., shows the level of inequality that women have in Islam. e.g. in the Western world, we have Women CEO's, Women Political Leaders, etc., so no position is out of bounds to women.

This more than anything turns me and many others against Islam as it is like a medieval system, within the 21st century. A bit like the comparison between Amazon tribes and early explorers, eventually they adapt to a better civilized way of living.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

How do you interpret verse 25:53 in which the Koran says that salt water and fresh water do not mix? Since this is demonstrably false, doesn't this mean that the Koran is imperfect?

 

[jojorah]

How many of the tenets of "Sharia Law" are supported by majority of Muslims ?

The more barbaric aspects of these (stoning an adulterer, killing a girl because she got raped, honour killings, marrying children with old men, etc.), place Islam in a bad light and the western media have a habit of reporting these frequently. Even the subservience of a woman to the man is bad enough; The fact they have to cover themselves up, can't drive, can't vote, can't have normal jobs, etc., shows the level of inequality that women have in Islam.

This more than anything turns me and many others against Islam as it is like a medieval system, within the 21st century. A bit like the comparison between Amazon tribes and early explorers, eventually they adapt to a better civilized way of living.

I simply dont have the time to explain all of this right now, killing a girl because she got raped is not in shariah law. Honour killings? how does that have anything to do with sharaih, They have hijab for modesty, and in muslim countrys of the past pagans could dress according to there culture, cant drive, i already explaned this, where in islam does it say "a women shalt not vote"? yah, who said women cant have normal jobs in islam? This is the saudi government and they are not practicing true islam.

Also it was a known pagan tradition to bury the first born daughter alive, the prophet (pbuh) stopped this. I can explain more if more of you get on to try to potray islam in a incorrect light.

Also, if your Christian, what about the age difference between mary and joseph?

 

[jojorah]

How do you interpret verse 25:53 in which the Koran says that salt water and fresh water do not mix? Since this is demonstrably false, doesn't this mean that the Koran is imperfect?

For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundred kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1,000 meters with its own warm, saline and less dense characteristics. The Mediterranean water stabilizes at this depth (Principles of Oceanography p. 93).
The Mediterranean sea water as it enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill with its own warm, saline and less dense characteristics, because of the barrier that distinguishes between them. Temperatures are in degrees Celsius (C).

Even in depths (indicated here by darker colors) up to 1,400 meters and at distances ranging from a minus -100 to +2,500 meters, we find that both bodies of water maintain their individual temperatures and salinity.
Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier.

The Holy Qur'an mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God said: {He has let free the two seas meeting to gather. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.} (Qur'an 55:19-20)

I know copy paste, im tired give me a break

 

[kiwitt]

killing a girl because she got raped is not in shariah law.

A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.

"Don't kill me, don't kill me," she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.

Initial reports had said she was a 23-year-old woman who had confessed to adultery before a Sharia court.

Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones until she died in front of more than 1,000 people last week.

BBC link

Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN) -- Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl.

Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public.

Hena dropped after 70.

CNN Link

More stupid examples
http://www.worldgonemad.tv/2011/03/...ab-emirates-spent-eight-months-jail-adultery/

FYI: I am not a Christian either.

I especially like this comment.

Anyone who believes that giving a woman any number of lashes, for any action, is not fit to live in a civilized society.

As for Honor Killings ...

 

[jojorah]

your point, dosnt mean its islamic, read my original post, and then post again. if you can find anywhere in islam where it says "for the women that has been raped, you are to have her killed"

 

[jojorah]

also, i wouldnt take islam hate sites as the best source of news, just as you wouldnt like me to use al jezeera arabuc

 

[kiwitt]

also, i wouldnt take islam hate sites as the best source of news, just as you wouldnt like me to use al jezeera arabuc

I watch Aljazeera here in NZ as it is more balanced.

The Noble Qur'an An-Nur 24:2-9

2. The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh's Law).

Quran 24.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

do you go to the mosque regularly?

do you plan on going to Mecca before you die?