Ask A Red V: The Five-Year Plan

What's your opinion on Cuba and USA normalising relations?
Is it a betrayal of communism?
Guess I could ask about the gradual liberalisation of Cuba as well.

Normalization will work to Cuba's advantage, because the Cuban people wish it. They are better politicians than the US.

Lenin was clear on what he referred to as "peaceful coexistence:" the cessation of hostilities between nations espousing opposing political ideals -- not the capitulation of socialism to capitalism.

Cuba's economic liberalization is NOT a retreat from socialism, as the means of production are still socially owned. The Cuban government is diversifying its consumer economy. That's all.

I am quite the expert, now, as now as dozen of my comrades have been to.Cuba on medical and legal exchanges, been hosted by government officials and have monthly contact with the UN Cuban Mission.
 
Probably a stupid question but I have to ask:

1) I know 'five year plan' referring to communists is a Civ V reference but is it actually a real thing or just a thread title joke?

It refers to the Five Year Plans for Economic Development, which served as the foundational basis for Soviet economic planning, beginning with the most famous one in 1928. The goal of the first two Five Year Plans was to vastly accelerate Soviet industrialization, such that by 1938, the USSR had experienced in a ten-year period the volume of industrialization which England experienced in 100 years. They continued to use the five-year time frame as a reasonable forward forecast for planning thereafter.

What's your opinion on Cuba and USA normalising relations?

Cautious optimism. The embargo is awful, but I'm not enthusiastic about American "freedom culture" entering Cuba. Or Americans, for that matter. But perhaps Cuba and Cubans can serve as a valuable example for Americans of what can be, or at least that Cuba and communism isn't as awful as the professional propagandists would have them believe.

Is it a betrayal of communism?

No and it's nonsense to regard it so.

Guess I could ask about the gradual liberalisation of Cuba as well.

Liberalization would a fundamental mistake, and is unlikely in the present geopolitical environment anyway. This change in relations is a product of American weakness, not strength. Cuba is still fundamentally oriented southward, toward a re-assertive Latin America, where it has won many friends. The pressure put on Obama through the OAS which culminated in the historic handshake last week is an excellent example of this.
 
I'll give this thread a gentle bump with a cultural piece, to celebrate the 125th birthday of Ho Chi Minh and the 90th birthday of Malcolm X, aka El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, two of the greatest revolutionaries of the XX Century.


Link to video.

Five Songs for Malcolm X

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EDIT: Here is a good article from Jacobin a few months ago, about the legacy of Malcolm X: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/02/malcolm-x-assassination-legacy/
 
I have come across an opinion that what is conscidered the prolateriat in first world countries (mainly USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Europe) has become part of the opressing part in global perspective. Like all sorts of benefits and material goods here is more than what you would expect from how much first world people work, and that the proletariat in third world countries (vague term I know, but I think you get it) are the ones being opressed.
And because of this it is only the third world that is capanble of revolution. Nothing will happened in the first world, and in fact basically everyone in the first world are part of the opressors that needs to be elliminated.

What are your (pural) thoughts on this? How prevailing is this viewpoint in communistic circles?
 
I have come across an opinion that what is conscidered the prolateriat in first world countries (mainly USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Europe) has become part of the opressing part in global perspective. Like all sorts of benefits and material goods here is more than what you would expect from how much first world people work, and that the proletariat in third world countries (vague term I know, but I think you get it) are the ones being opressed.
And because of this it is only the third world that is capanble of revolution. Nothing will happened in the first world, and in fact basically everyone in the first world are part of the opressors that needs to be elliminated.

What are your (pural) thoughts on this? How prevailing is this viewpoint in communistic circles?

Oh, you mean Third Worldism.

It's not well-received, because it considers the rest of us to be Bourgeois Agents of Amerikkka who favor the First World first. That's nonsense. The vast majority of what TWs believe is already a part of Marxism-Leninism, and their departures from that (like declaring all First World workers to be next exploiters in line with the bourgeoisie) are not supported by materialist analysis. And furthermore, perhaps most problematically, is that TWs deny the existence of false consciousness; in their conception of the world, everyone is innately aware of their political class and the consequences of their political actions, such that conservative workers in the First World are such because they wish to preserve their quality of life which is only possible under capitalism, not because they've been duped into defending something that screws them over. It's a twisted misconception of material consciousness that makes a mockery of the concept.

And finally, there's no indication out in the real world that Third World workers hate First World workers or view them as their enemy, or that they would not welcome a socialist revolution in the First World. Indeed, they want the system ended as quickly as possible, and there isn't a group in the Third World that calls itself Third Worldist; the closest thing is MLM groups like Prachanda and Shining Path, but there's a world of difference between Marxism-Leninism-Maoism (MLM) and MTW.

Shrill Third Worldists sound almost exactly like conservative poor-shamers and anti-communists, so I want very little to do with them. I know a couple who have their heads more or less on straight, but most of them are offensive and intolerable.


At least the only good thing is that movement is quickly falling apart. LLCO professes to follow "Leading Light Thought" now, that moron Jason Unruhe (the guy who makes those "Maoist Rebel News" videos on Youtube) has been exposed for the sexist, homophobic, racist FDCK that he is, so the only remaining group of any note is RAIM, and RAIM has both moderated their line somewhat to recognize that a First World proletariat of sorts does in fact exist, and have dropped the Maoism that initially characterized their ideology to become strictly Third Worldist.

EDIT: All that said, the Third Worldists have played a valuable role in re-evaluating the history of First World socialist and communist movements, which have had their own share of racism and protection of some aspects of Settlerism. It's been part of a force to re-center the fight on non-White minorities like Blacks, Chicanos, and Native Americans as oppressed nations inside of the settler states themselves, in parallel with the rising incorporation of intersectionality as a tactical weapon.
 
Do you believe in the existence of the so-so called "Second World", a transitory between the Third World and the First World? Basically all ex-communist states, Russia and a number of other polities that weren't aligned to the West but weren't subjected to the extreme poverty in other places?
 
Do you believe in the existence of the so-so called "Second World", a transitory between the Third World and the First World? Basically all ex-communist states, Russia and a number of other polities that weren't aligned to the West but weren't subjected to the extreme poverty in other places?

The "Worlds" themselves are problematic ideas. In one sense, they refer to Mao's formula which identified the USSR and its allies as "social imperialist" and a greater threat to genuinely-socialist China and Albania then even the West was. On the other, far more benign hand, they refer to a hierarchy of economic development. I don't think Mao's formula is valid. I do think the other hierarchy of economic development is more useful. Today the Second World roughly refers to capitalist nations which aren't really imperialist yet (like Russia or Iran), or which have highly unevenly developed economies (like Brazil or South Africa), it doesn't really have much to do with political alignment any more.
 
And finally, there's no indication out in the real world that Third World workers hate First World workers or view them as their enemy, or that they would not welcome a socialist revolution in the First World. Indeed, they want the system ended as quickly as possible, and there isn't a group in the Third World that calls itself Third Worldist; the closest thing is MLM groups like Prachanda and Shining Path, but there's a world of difference between Marxism-Leninism-Maoism (MLM) and MTW.
Closest thing I can think of is Xenophobic Boneapartist movement like Kabila I and Amin, which seem to believe strongly in the coherent American/British/French/Israeli Conspiracy.
 
So the 2016 American elections are coming up. To our panel of Reds...

If you were an American (for those who are not) or as Americans (for those who are), who would you cast your vote for in the 2016 elections and why. And/or conversely, who would you rate as the worst possible candidate(s) or political parties which you would least like to see win?

Honest question because I'm thinking of going "Red" for 2016 considering all the problems in the world right now.

Thank you.
 
I remember a couple of years downtown was commenting that US Communist parties would have a better chance of being taken seriously if they were to focus their efforts on local elections rather than futile efforts (like running for president). IIRC you said that was a good idea. To your knowledge, has the CPUSA or other American communist/socialist parties gotten any seats in local elections or are they still gunning for the presidency?
 
I remember a couple of years downtown was commenting that US Communist parties would have a better chance of being taken seriously if they were to focus their efforts on local elections rather than futile efforts (like running for president). IIRC you said that was a good idea. To your knowledge, has the CPUSA or other American communist/socialist parties gotten any seats in local elections or are they still gunning for the presidency?

Well I do notice that many of the socialist parties don't seem to have a candidate picked yet so maybe they aren't going to run anyone this year (or maybe they will pool their resources?). Still that maybe leaves two fundamental options:

1. Vote least evil
2. Don't vote.

So if those are the options, what would be the best thing to do from the viewpoint of "reds"?
 
So the 2016 American elections are coming up. To our panel of Reds...

If you were an American (for those who are not) or as Americans (for those who are), who would you cast your vote for in the 2016 elections and why. And/or conversely, who would you rate as the worst possible candidate(s) or political parties which you would least like to see win?

Honest question because I'm thinking of going "Red" for 2016 considering all the problems in the world right now.

Thank you.


Bernie Sanders (I know cheezy disagrees)

He believes in a universal basic income, free higher education and debt forgiveness for those with accumulated education debts (and taxing stock market trading to do it), higher rates of taxation on the wealthy, etc (visit his website if you want more info).

Only his record on Israel gives me serious pause, but that's tempered somewhat by his very deep skepticism of the military establishment and military spending in general.

He's good enough for me.
 
The CPUSA can rot.

Bernie Sanders can rot too.

The presidential election only provides you with the opportunity of vaguely influencing the selection of which ruling class stooge will rule over us until our next Instance of Democracy in four years' time.

In the US election, only vote for left-wing populist, socialist, or communist candidates in city, local, and state elections.

I remember a couple of years downtown was commenting that US Communist parties would have a better chance of being taken seriously if they were to focus their efforts on local elections rather than futile efforts (like running for president). IIRC you said that was a good idea. To your knowledge, has the CPUSA or other American communist/socialist parties gotten any seats in local elections or are they still gunning for the presidency?

There is no socialist party in the US which behaves as the Green Party does and only goes for the national stage without paying attention to the local arena. Socialist movements are almost entirely local and grow out of local political situations, whether they're anti-racist movements, community organization around rent, water, or other municipal concerns, labor organization, or whatever the case may be. Very often there is not even but the barest framework of national organization, except for a few of the larger parties. So have no fear in that sphere.
 
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