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[TheJ0K3R]

Well obviously it is insignificant if it is between us, since the issue is the official war threat. Try to find that anywhere else, let alone civilized europe. I think that i am not talking to a ******, so i do not have to spell it out that i have nothing against you personally, but definately am very dismissive of your government and militarised country

Be sure there is no war threat.Our military is for defending not for offending.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Is this mod approved?

 

[TheJ0K3R]

Is this mod approved?

this is a very old thread.And we're talkin as civilized people.What's wrong?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

These threads need mod approval though. Or has this been grandfathered in, before these threads needed said mod approval?

 

[Kyriakos]

Be sure there is no war threat.Our military is for defending not for offending.

Right. Sorry but you are not even aware of your parliament's actions. Check http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/120421

It gives examples of casus belli states in history, and mentions also that:
"In 1995, The Turkish Parliament issued a casus belli against Greece in reaction to an enacted extension of Greek territorial waters from convert|6|nmi|km|0 to convert|12|nmi|km|0 from the coast (See Aegean dispute). [ [http://www.europa-digital.de/aktuell/dossier/tuerkei/aegaeis.shtml europa-digital.de/aktuell/dossier/tuerkei/aegaeis.shtml ] ] Turkey has not removed this casus belli despite initiation of preliminary negotiations in order for it to join the European Union".

Time to wake up

 

[Great Cyrus]

what? i didn't get.
Iranian Turks attacked you,then helped you?

oh no. qajars were a bad empire in iran. at last they destroyed with reza shah.

 

[TheJ0K3R]

Right. Sorry but you are not even aware of your parliament's actions. Check http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/120421

It gives examples of casus belli states in history, and mentions also that:
"In 1995, The Turkish Parliament issued a casus belli against Greece in reaction to an enacted extension of Greek territorial waters from convert|6|nmi|km|0 to convert|12|nmi|km|0 from the coast (See Aegean dispute). [ [http://www.europa-digital.de/aktuell/dossier/tuerkei/aegaeis.shtml europa-digital.de/aktuell/dossier/tuerkei/aegaeis.shtml ] ] Turkey has not removed this casus belli despite initiation of preliminary negotiations in order for it to join the European Union".

Time to wake up

Your sources don't worth anything to me.Because i know what is happening over here,and what our people's thoughts,our government's thoughts are.Since our independence war,we don't have any interest in war anymore.We just try to protect our borders.And try to keep them safe forever.

 

[Great Cyrus]

excuse me friends.
Varwnos ehat is our view about 300 the movie?

 

[Kyriakos]

Your sources don't worth anything to me.Because i know what is happening over here,and what our people's thoughts,our government's thoughts are.Since our independence war,we don't have any interest in war anymore.We just try to protect our borders.And try to keep them safe forever.

You know there is a word for people who dismiss respectable sources (as if it is some major discovery that there is a casus belli lol ) so as to stick to their idealised version of a fairy-tale. Such stances can be very dangerous though. Read up on what i wrote, i doubt that it is that hard to simply search the net for "casus belli"^turkey^greece...

excuse me friends.
Varwnos ehat is our view about 300 the movie?

I rather liked the movie, although i am fully aware that it is not a historical documentary (persians are better looking than that ).
But i like Persia as well. Greece had a border with Persia many times in history. And for hundreds of years during the Byzantine empire. There should have been less war between us though

 

[Turner]

Moderator Action: This thread was created before the rule about mod approval existed. So it is grandfathered in.

I would also like to point out that there is both an edit button, and a multiquote function. Please use either one instead of multiple posting. If I have to merge a bunch of posts, I will start handing out warnings, and if continued, infractions.

Also, please refrain from trolling/flaming other members. If y'all can't be polite in this thread, it will be shut down.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

When do you think Turkey will be in the EU?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

How is admitting responsibility for a genocide a stain on the honor of a nation? Is it not dishonorable to deny one's wrongdoing in the face of incontrovertible evidence and fail to accept responsibility? Also, wasn't it technically the Ottoman Empire that did it? If so, why be adamant on denying the Ottomans did it?

 

[Squonk]

Because
2- It wasn't the only "betrayal", Arab revolt was far less bloody but hurted more because it was unexpected.

Yet, somehow, no-one decided to move the Arabs en masse to their new homeland in the Syrian Desert or something

3- From strategic point of view, I don't see how Ottoman (or any other) government could have dealt with the situation significantly better.

There was a massive armed rebellion of Armenians, true.

No it isn't. There was a single "revolt" at Van, when the populace didn't want to furnish the Ottomans with men for army, because, they surmised, they'd be killed instead of sent on the front. And the relations of foreigners etc suggest they did have reasons to fear that.

The site which was given by this guy as "informative"

http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/massacres/lists.html

shows the number of alleged victims of Armenians.

Lets count the victims in Van:


1916-5-8 Van, Tatvan 1.600 lets take half of it

1915 Van 44
1/4
1916-5-22 Van 1.000
1/4
1916-5-22 Köprüköy / Van 200
1/4
1916-5-22 Van 15.000
1/4
1916-5-22 Van 8
1/4
1916-5-22 Van 8.000
1/4
1916-5-22 Van 80.000
1/4
1916-5-22 Van 15.000

1916-5-23 Van 300

1916-5-11 Van 44.233

1916-4-1 Van, Reşadiye 15

1916-6 Van Abbasağa 14

1915-5 Van 20.000

1915-4 Van 120

1915 Van 150

l 915 Van 5200

So, Armenians, including the time under ottoman rule, and under ottoman siege, would kill 185.000 Turks in Van only. The population of entire Van vilayet was, according to, most likely exagerrating muslim presence, turkish numbers 241 thousands muslims and 79,998 Armenians. So, Armenians, acting under turkish rules, in the presence of turkish army, killed over 2x more muslims, than they numbered themselves, 2/3 of all the muslims in the area.
In fact, on one day, 22/5/1916, Armenians would have to kill many more people than they numbered themselves.
lol.
Strangely, almost all these great numbers, 10.000 or more, come from year 1916, that is russian progress into the area. Armenians are already cleansed for a year now, and the alleged crimes could be at best commited by russian army.

Not to mention the absurdity of Armenians killing dozens of thousands of Turks in places like Edremid or Trabzon, where they were a tiny minority


Sorry for beating a dead horse, I know it is an old thread.

 

[Gustave5436]

Your sources don't worth anything to me.Because i know what is happening over here,and what our people's thoughts,our government's thoughts are.Since our independence war,we don't have any interest in war anymore.We just try to protect our borders.And try to keep them safe forever.

Hence the invasion of Cyprus, NATO membership (including stationing American nuclear weaponry within Turkey), etc.