Ask Iranians

[plarq]

My question: Why should any country have diplomatic relations with a government whose view on the Holocaust is not only illegal in some countrys, but is also incredibly disgusting and disrespectful?

I wonder why some countries maintained diplomatic relationship with Nazi Germany well into the 1940s?

 

[Great Cyrus]

I don't mind your nationalist supremacist rhetorics, but please improve your English, it was a pain in the ass to guess what you mean.

Or: is it patriotic to speak foreign language poorly? Ignorance is strength anyone?

i didnt want your idea.my english is well and i dont need your lead
in my mind that israelite was kinder than you with iranian people
please dont continue.this topic is for asking from iranian people not for arguing with them.

 

[West 36]

ha ha. you disrespect me, yeah? you dont love iran and iranians.
I LOVE MY COUNTRY. I LOVE MY PRESIDENT. I LOVE MY BLOOD. I LOVE MY HISTORY. OKAY? MOUSAVI AND AHMADINEJAD ARE IRANIAN. WE LOVE THEM.

I actually did say no disrespect. I have no problem with Iran or Iranians, can't quite say I love them as, well, that would be weird . If that's the way you feel about your country, ok. I disagree with your views, but to each their own.

 

[Great Cyrus]

Umm are you really saying Iran is gonna wipe Israel off the map? Is this what people think in Iran? I've seen some crazy Iranian kids' TV shows so I do wonder what the mindset is.

And I need to ask something: If Iran has so much oil, why does it need nuclear power?

Don't worry about movies like 300. Nobody actually believes any of that stuff.

that israelite said that we want to wipe israel off;but our president and us dont accept it and we dont want to do that.its not related to us that israel has grabbed felestin.however israel has created.please respect to all of iraninans.by the way thank you

 

[Great Cyrus]

I actually did say no disrespect. I have no problem with Iran or Iranians, can't quite say I love them as, well, that would be weird . If that's the way you feel about your country, ok. I disagree with your views, but to each their own.

it isnt my view own. i didnt want to continue discussion.

 

[useless]

that israelite said that we want to wipe israel off;but our president and us dont accept it and we dont want to do that.its not related to us that israel has grabbed felestin.however israel has created.please respect to all of iraninans.by the way thank you

So where's the respect towards Israel then?

 

[Agent327]

My question: Why should any country have diplomatic relations with a government whose view on the Holocaust is not only illegal in some countrys, but is also incredibly disgusting and disrespectful?

I suppose you're referring to the president's personal views; that is not the same as the official stance of a country, nor is it representative of Iranians at large. There is a Jewish minority inside Iran, actually.

 

[Tee Kay]

Questions for you Great Cyrus.

1. What do you like/don't like about Ahmadinajad? How about Mousavi?
2. What's your view towards China, Japan, Australia and East Asia in general?
3. What's your favourite Iranian food?
4. You said you don't like Arabs. What do you think about having to learn Arabic?
5. What's the view of Iranians towards their former Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?

 

[boogaboo]

Well... I was just sleeping a LOT...

As our dear Iranian said he's not here to argue, but just to say his opinions, there's no point argueing...
Any other Iranian has an opinion to ARGUE ? (I don't see arguement as a negative)

BTW, Iran's attitude for other Arab nations is working against it -
It makes Iran more isolated and also makes Egypt (and Saudi Arabia also I think) cooperate with Israel's military recently (heard of those Israeli submarines that are now allowed for the first time through suez canal?).

Respect has to be earned. You can't say "I'm great" and get everyone bow to you, especially when Iran doesn't show even a bit of respect to almost no other country.

===== (now let a mad Israeli tell you a story)

Israel took every inch of its' territory by RIGHT -

1948 - the UN (representing ALL nations in the world) offered a division of palestine between jews and arabs. Ben-Gurion accepted it, the arabs refused and went to war.
(and NO - there wasn't a "majority of arabs" in Palestine at that time)
The result was arabs fleeing Palestine, and jews being deported from arab countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands)

1967 - in a war that arab states were pressuring Israel into, we took lands (but didn't kill or deport the population)
Egypt took it's land back for peace (they refused to take Gaza back..)
Jordan made peace without taking it's land (yes, the west bank people are Jordanians)
Syria is still a problem in many ways.

Nowadays, most Israelis don't want that land, and want Palestinians to have a state.
But, a state that doesn't threaten Israel like the people in Gaza shoot rockets at us when they feel like it...
Yasser Arafat was offered a state, including east jerusalem, refused and started the second "intifada".
More importantly, up to now, NO palestinian representative was willing to say the Israel has the right to exist as a jewish nationality country. I personally think this is the first thing that needs altering.

 

[Great Cyrus]

Questions for you Great Cyrus.

1. What do you like/don't like about Ahmadinajad? How about Mousavi?
2. What's your view towards China, Japan, Australia and East Asia in general?
3. What's your favourite Iranian food?
4. You said you don't like Arabs. What do you think about having to learn Arabic?
5. What's the view of Iranians towards their former Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?

1. i dont have any idea about mousavi, and about ahmadinejad (ahmadinezhad is persian): his good features: valor, honor, veracity and chauvism.
his bad features: he helps the other countries in financial field.
ayatullah khomeyni (our imam) had said that the way of palestine passes from karbala.
by the way, iran people love ahmadinejad.
2. china and japan are developing now days and there has been peace between these two countries with iran and their relationship with iran is developing.
in fact, the supporters of iran are eastern asia countries; but the foods of eastern asia are awful.
they use beetle for pranking their foods.
australia is like european countries and doesnt have special relationship with iran.
3. my favorite iranan foods are all of kinds of kebab, khaviyar fish, tahchin and pirashki, but im not glutton.
4. i think learning arabic is ineffective and this language is desultory.
the result of our neighborhood with arabs was our civilization ruin.
5. he is died...???!!!

 

[Great Cyrus]

Well... I was just sleeping a LOT...

As our dear Iranian said he's not here to argue, but just to say his opinions, there's no point argueing...
Any other Iranian has an opinion to ARGUE ? (I don't see arguement as a negative)

BTW, Iran's attitude for other Arab nations is working against it -
It makes Iran more isolated and also makes Egypt (and Saudi Arabia also I think) cooperate with Israel's military recently (heard of those Israeli submarines that are now allowed for the first time through suez canal?).

Respect has to be earned. You can't say "I'm great" and get everyone bow to you, especially when Iran doesn't show even a bit of respect to almost no other country.

===== (now let a mad Israeli tell you a story)

Israel took every inch of its' territory by RIGHT -

1948 - the UN (representing ALL nations in the world) offered a division of palestine between jews and arabs. Ben-Gurion accepted it, the arabs refused and went to war.
(and NO - there wasn't a "majority of arabs" in Palestine at that time)
The result was arabs fleeing Palestine, and jews being deported from arab countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands)

1967 - in a war that arab states were pressuring Israel into, we took lands (but didn't kill or deport the population)
Egypt took it's land back for peace (they refused to take Gaza back..)
Jordan made peace without taking it's land (yes, the west bank people are Jordanians)
Syria is still a problem in many ways.

Nowadays, most Israelis don't want that land, and want Palestinians to have a state.
But, a state that doesn't threaten Israel like the people in Gaza shoot rockets at us when they feel like it...
Yasser Arafat was offered a state, including east jerusalem, refused and started the second "intifada".
More importantly, up to now, NO palestinian representative was willing to say the Israel has the right to exist as a jewish nationality country. I personally think this is the first thing that needs altering.

it seems that you are reasonable person; but why are you angry?
how old are you?
in your history books, what is there about iran?

 

[Tee Kay]

ayatullah khomeyni (our imam) had said that the way of palestine passes from karbala.

This bit is unclear. Can you explain a bit more?

in fact, the supporters of iran are eastern asia countries; but the foods of eastern asia are awful.
they use beetle for pranking their foods.

No, actually we just fry them.

I wouldn't eat beetles myself. Asian food is typically very spicey though.

5. he is died...???!!!

He died right after he got overthrown and exiled, thirty years ago. I assume then that you don't get to learn a lot about the Shah in Iran today.

 

[Agent327]

I don't think Ahmadinezhad's statements regarding Israel and the Holocaust are very honourable - especially towards the Jewish minority in Iran (let alone that they are not true).

The Arab conquest of Persia did not "ruin" Iran, but in fact resulted in a culturally enriching development of both. (For the West, Arabic preserved some valuable texts from Antiquity that might otherwise have been lost; it also stimulated Turkish culture by exchange of ideas.) I think you underestimate Arab science and literature because of the present day situation.

BTW, East Asian cuisine can be quite exquisite - though sometimes spicy.

Israel took every inch of its' territory by RIGHT -

The "right" of the stronger, i.e. the right of force. (That a UN resolution granted a division of Palestine without consulting the inhabitants is more telling of the guilt that was felt by nations that neglected the cause of the Jews prior to and during WW II. Israel has ignored various UN resolutions since 1948, making a reference to the UN resolution that divided Palestine a bit hypocritical. To this day the Arab population of Israel are 2nd rate citizens; another telling fact.) I'm not defending the Arab declarations of war against Israel, though, nor the Hamas stance - but considering Israel's track record, it has still got a long way to go. (And Israel pretends to be the local democracy in the area; a comparison with Lebanon might be interesting.) The Intifadahs and the present day stance of Hamas are certainly partly the result of Israel's behaviour towards its Arab citizens and Palestinians since 1945/7.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

What do you mean by "chauvism"? Do you mean chauvinism? That is generally considered a vice, not a virtue.

 

[Holycannoli]

that israelite said that we want to wipe israel off;but our president and us dont accept it and we dont want to do that.its not related to us that israel has grabbed felestin.however israel has created.please respect to all of iraninans.by the way thank you

Hmm an israelite said this?

ive read in one place that you great stand up by listening the name of CYRUS (the great) for showing your respect. if this id true, you should change you relationship with iran. you shouldent ban iran anymore. if you do it, we wont wipe you off the map and we will accep you.

The way it's worded makes it sound like an iranian said it to israel. Like it's a threat: Change your relationship with iran, stop banning them, and we will accept you. Don't stop banning them and we will wipe you off the map.

That's what it sounds like, but it's hard to know exactly since it's such broken English. Plus like I said, I've seen stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8sOQeNKf-o that makes me wonder. There's the possibility it's not translated correctly but I doubt it. And pair that with the quote above and you see why I wonder so much what the mindset of the average Iranian is. The fact that kid's shows might be like that video makes me sick, no offense to you who probably has nothing to do with it.

I need to say this though: You should not respect your current president. He did say he wants to wipe Israel off the map, and he's a Holocaust denier. How can anyone respect that?

 

[Great Cyrus]

What do you mean by "chauvism"? Do you mean chauvinism? That is generally considered a vice, not a virtue.

my meanhng was "chauvinism"
i wanted to say ahmadinezhad loves his country.
i was typing speedly.

 

[Tee Kay]

my meanhng was "chauvinism"
i wanted to say ahmadinezhad loves his country.
i was typing speedly.

Patriotism - Love or devotion to one's country. This is probably the word you were looking for.
Chauvinism - Excessive, aggressive, irrational patriotism, a blind belief in national superiority and glory which, as MC said, is commonly considered a vice rather than a virtue.

 

[Great Cyrus]

He died right after he got overthrown and exiled, thirty years ago. I assume then that you don't get to learn a lot about the Shah in Iran today.

i know that.i put " ? " instead " ! "
my meaning was "shah is died".why do u ask me about him??
what do u want to know about him!!!
i know the history of my country well.
taillesskangaru, you are chinese or japanese?

 

[Tee Kay]

i know that.i put " ? " instead " ! "
my meaning was "shah is died".why do u ask me about him??
what do u want to know about him!!!
i know the history of my country well.

What I meant was: what do Iranian today think about the former Shah, his rule and legacy. Do people think of him as a good leader, a bad leader, a bit of both, etc.

taillesskangaru, you are chinese or japanese?

Asian Australian

 

[Great Cyrus]

What I meant was: what do Iranian today think about the former Shah, his rule and legacy. Do people think of him as a good leader, a bad leader, a bit of both, etc.
Asian Australian

not good, not bad. but He was very struck West.
plz put your pic.