Ask one who has been to Nirvana

[Patine]

I want to hear more about Shintoism, Patine, I know almost nothing about it.

There's quite a bit to say (it's a very old and whole religion with almost 200 million followers was almost a national-ethnic state and identity religion for Japan if not for the presence of Buddhism as a powerful force). It is actually, at heart, an animistic-shamanic religion similar to many seen in Indigenous peoples in Siberia and the Western Hemisphere, but developed some distinct features away from that trend due to being part of a settled, more technologically advanced, and later growingly urbanized society - much like Sindo (or known as Muism) did in Korea. Like those various shamanic religions, Shinto does appear to have full deities above the standard kami (animistic spirits), such as Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess, Hachiman, God of War, Ryujin, the God of the Sea, Susanoo-no-Mikoto, God of Storms (often erroneously called Raiden in Western Media, even though that's just the name of the Zeus-style thunderbolt he carries), and Ninigi-no-Mikoto, the direct ancestor of Jimmu Tenno, the mythologist First Emperor of Japan by official Shinto recorded lineage, although, again, like other such shamanic-rooted religions, it's unclear if they were originally viewed as a separate sort of being from the kami, or just the highest and apex and them - like Raven, Coyote, Orca, Bear, Father Wolf, Grandfather Thunder, the Earth Mother, etc. (proper linguistic names vary widely by local ethnicity, and their presence or lack thereof among many also varied widely) were among many Native Americans/First Nations types. Although long regarded as a "folk religion," while Buddhism was the "prestige," religion during the days of the Nara Court, the Fujiwaras, an then the dominance of Bushido, the Meiji Restoration revived it and put it in a place of great honour as a the source of an Imperial Cult religion to justify the Emperor's Divinity and Mandate - similar to how Confucianism was long used by Chinese Emperors for such - until 1947, when it became a "civil religion," by the terms of the 1947 Japanese Constitution (heavily and in great part handed down, or at least heavily edited and reviewed, by MacArthur and the American Occupation Government), and ended the State-supported Emperor deification cult (though a Conservative, Japanese Nationalist political party called the Komeito (or Restoration) Party - which is currently a junior coalition partner to the governing, but more Plutocratic, Liberal Democratic Party of Japan - Abe and Suga's party - wants to restore "State Shinto," (the Emperor Cult) from "Sect Shinto," (the civic religion), among other Japanese Nationalist agendas Komeito was been pushing Abe, and now Suga's, Governments to embrace in exchange for their parliamentary support, which have only been address partially and piecemeal by the two most recent Prime Ministers. Shinto shares no real iconic traits Pantheism of Karma, Dharma, Transcending the World and Flesh, Destroying the Ego, Self-Imposed Austerity, Reincarnation, and the Path to Nirvana at all, which was a difference that led me to first bring it up in response to @amadeus' post. There's a nutshell for you, but, as a long-standing religion, there's far, far more.

 

[Hygro]

Traditional Japanese Buddhism is also very different from post Meiji modern Buddhism, the kind we know in the USA, as that one was created to be a cultural export in the 19th century.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

A great advertising catchphrase that was far more ubiquitous in my younger days in the '80's and '90's

I don't think the John-Hopkins-University is in the business of producing advertising catchphrases for drugs. But have all the pre-conceived notions you want. Just don't say in the end "Nobody told me".
Because he did.
But the power for good of psychedelics goes with a huge power in general, and power can always be abused. I can not stress enough that in spite of my high praise of and high hopes in psychedelics, they are no magical cure all and off themselves. But I can also not stress enough that they actually literally can be one, under the right circumstances. There are documented cases of severe mental issues solved with one huge dose. But the same is true to the contrary. Funny that people often only mention or even heard of the latter.
Well not to me. I know why. But that is a different topic.

I also am inclined to agree with Graham Hancock that if it was mandatory to go through 13 psychedelic sessions before entering an office of significant power - we would pretty much save and cure the world instantly. Though.. I don't know. Something irks me about that. But can't put my finger on it, for the time being.

 

[Patine]

I don't think the John-Hopkins-University is in the business of producing advertising catchphrases for drugs. But have all the pre-conceived notions you want. Just don't say in the end "Nobody told me".
Because he did.
But the power for good of psychedelics goes with a huge power in general, and power can always be abused. I can not stress enough that in spite of my high praise of and high hopes in psychedelics, they are no magical cure all and off themselves. But I can also not stress enough that they actually literally can be one, under the right circumstances. There are documented cases of severe mental issues solved with one huge dose. But the same is true to the contrary. Funny that people often only mention or even heard of the latter.
Well not to me. I know why. But that is a different topic.

I also am inclined to agree with Graham Hancock that if it was mandatory to go through 13 psychedelic sessions before entering an office of significant power - we would pretty much save and cure the world instantly. Though.. I don't know. Something irks me about that. But can't put my finger on it, for the time being.

They're pure chemical escapism to vapidly relieve stress and feeling of hardship in life without the tackling the sources of it - and making oneself less and less able to tackle those sources as one's dependency increases. Don't preach to me about some "airy-fairy mystical benefit and good," attached to such substances - I'm a social worker in a city of over a million - I've seen the reality of it, not the make-belief you're pushing.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

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[Narz]

They're pure chemical escapism to vapidly relieve stress and feeling of hardship in life without the tackling the sources of it - and making oneself less and less able to tackle those sources as one's dependency increases. Don't preach to me about some "airy-fairy mystical benefit and good," attached to such substances - I'm a social worker in a city of over a million - I've seen the reality of it, not the make-belief you're pushing.

Have you ever tried psychedelics?

They're not known for being addictive and whenever they've been studied under controlled environments they've generally helped people better cope w their lives not fall into further disarray (obviously these are controlled settings and if someone is doing a cornucopia of drugs in bad settings you're may not see benefits)

Equating mushrooms and hard drugs is a poor comparison. Cocaine is an escape, mushrooms may feel good sometimes but it also forces you to take a hard look at yourself and lsd and other psychedelics may even help people get off hard drugs.

The founded of Alcoholics Anonymous credits LSD w helping him get off the sauce. Of course that was not politically correct @ the time (or even now) and thus was written out of AA books

Nothing is a panacea as T says but psychedelics and mystical experiences are nearly identifical brainstate-wise.

Im not of the opinion that drug induced altered states can take you all the way up the mountain but we all need a lil help sometimes

 

[Terxpahseyton]

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[Patine]

But your way, the stress which makes you hold up your story like a shield, makes me think, that you may be on your way to that stop. Because something is driving you to do this. And running against walls to finally loose your horns against what is, is a very common way to get there. Utmost natural, really.

What is driving me to do WHAT, exactly? You're posting to someone you barely know, and are making significantly loaded intimations such as above. What are you trying to say, and what baseless assumptions are you making about me?

 

[Moriarte]

I also am inclined to agree with Graham Hancock that if it was mandatory to go through 13 psychedelic sessions before entering an office of significant power - we would pretty much save and cure the world instantly. Though.. I don't know. Something irks me about that. But can't put my finger on it, for the time being.

Yes, yes, also, few handfuls of mushrooms, few lines of coke and an obligatory spliff to take you back down and re-calibrate! Dude, when “saving the world” cuts down to 13 doses of LSD, you know it’s time for a little pause and introspection. Not improved education, screening procedures, re-formatted institutes of power, empowering the lowest denominator, building the society of social equality & justice - none of that talk.. Just take 13 doses and boom. The world saved. Contact your local dealer for details.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

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[Patine]

@Moriarte
You do not know what you are talking about. You do not even pretend to. You just ... talk. Why?

The pot has just called the kettle black...

 

[Moriarte]

I personally know people who took LSD and other drugs and gone crazy. Now they’re desperately trying to get back into life and failing. Now lets talk about you. Took some LSD, went to nirvana. OK. What’s worse is you’re writing deceptive incoherent scripture full of JRE level of “heard it from the grandma” evidence:

The other actors really get him. Just look at their faces. Some sources say that it is by now unusual to not experiment with psychedelics when being a star. It is the trend in the hip and high bay areas these days. But still collectively hushed.

I would stay quiet if I didn’t know that people are harmed every day by your type of drug propaganda. So, consider this a message to nirvanians from the real world: You are a living proof that drugs aren’t for everyone, especially illegal heavy drugs you’re trying to sell here.

 

[Hygro]

In this thread: a bunch of people who should take psychedelics.

 

[Patine]

In this thread: a bunch of people who should take psychedelics.

No one SHOULD take such chemical agents. I have seen a LOT of results of the self-destructiveness and folly of such, "self-medication." Promoting it as a positive, a productive solution to life problems, or even a recommendation of what one SHOULD do, or NEEDS to do, it's quite a repugnant script, to be honest.

 

[Narz]

No one SHOULD take such chemical agents. I have seen a LOT of results of the self-destructiveness and folly of such, "self-medication." Promoting it as a positive, a productive solution to life problems, or even a recommendation of what one SHOULD do, or NEEDS to do, it's quite a repugnant script, to be honest.

Psychadelics show great promise for depression, end of life anxiety and PTSD in the limited amount they're allowed to be studied.

Not that you seen interested in actual reality.

 

[Narz]

I personally know people who took LSD and other drugs and gone crazy.

Lsd or other drugs?

Gone crazy? What does that even mean.

Now they’re desperately trying to get back into life and failing.

Maybe if they had more supportive friends instead of judgemental a******** as associates?

What’s worse is you’re writing deceptive incoherent scripture full of JRE level of “heard it from the grandma” evidence:

The irony is thick w this one Mr. I know a guy who went crazy from doing a bunch of drugs

You are a living proof that drugs aren’t for everyone

Maybe good for some, next time you feel like being a dick online you should take a sedative instead.

especially illegal heavy drugs you’re trying to sell here.

Psychadelics aren't "heavy", their general harm level is well below alcohol and even marijuana

Is there some harm potential? Obviously. Can overzealous kids think some shrooms are gonna save the world, sure. But lumping potential medicine in w meth is just willful ignorance.

Everything I've said can be referenced if you try.

 

[Patine]

Not that you seen interested in actual reality.

Of course, social work and seeing the grim impact of all sorts of drug dependency and usage is not, "reality," eh? Only you're own narrow viewpoint on the issue, through one specific lens, is, or even could be, eh? Go back to school in Frankfurt...

 

[Narz]

Of course, social work and seeing the grim impact of all sorts of drug dependency and usage is not, "reality," eh? Only you're own narrow viewpoint on the issue, through one specific lens, is, or even could be, eh? Go back to school in Frankfurt...

You meet a lot of mushroom junkies?

Hard to believe you really have the job you say you do...

 

[Patine]

You meet a lot of mushroom junkies?

Hard to believe you really have the job you say you do...

I don't care what you believe anymore...

 

[Birdjaguar]

Many many people like drugs of any sort and what they do; mostly they don't care whether or not taking those drugs is harmful: drinking, smoking, pain killers, heroin, mushrooms, LSD, speed, marijuana, etc. etc. etc. Drug use predates founding your first city. Laws against drugs do not work. Telling people to stop does not work. One's dying does not convince other people to stop. Orderliness regarding drugs and their use would be an improvement to how we do things now.