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In the recent interview that Potato did with Ed and Carl, they talk about this.
Basically, if you sinergize the leader with the civ, the bias is added up and you have an even bigger chance of starting close to those things.

Here's the specific part of the interview:
Ed talking about starting bias
Yep. I'm not sure how to react to this. I think the problem here is what some antiquity civs are too dependent on starting locations (we know about Axum so far), so this generally forces player to maximize starting bias by picking the right leader. So, with the current info, all Axum players are going to choose Hatshepsut (with further reveals there will be mire options, but still extremely limited).
 
In the recent interview that Potato did with Ed and Carl, they talk about this.
Basically, if you sinergize the leader with the civ, the bias is added up and you have an even bigger chance of starting close to those things.

Here's the specific part of the interview:
Ed talking about starting bias
Well this doesn't answer what happens if they conflict, though.
 
If a leader has a terrain bonus, and doesn't pick a Civ with that Spawn bias, you could screw yourself over by Spawning in a wrong biome. By giving such leaders a Spawn bias, you can rectify that.

Come on guys, it's not rocket science. 😒
 
Well this doesn't answer what happens if they conflict, though.
As usual. The map has a set of starting locations, algorithm tries to assign civs to those location to follow their bias in the best way. Generally civilization with stronger bias wins the spot.

The only thing changed is what both civilization and leader contribute to those starting biases.
 
As usual. The map has a set of starting locations, algorithm tries to assign civs to those location to follow their bias in the best way. Generally civilization with stronger bias wins the spot.

The only thing changed is what both civilization and leader contribute to those starting biases.
However, the Leader is a bonus you keep all game, and the Civ is not. So will all Leaders have stronger biases than all Civs? That would also make it prioritize the Leader over the Civ when the map hasn't generated an area that has both things, even when it synergizes.
 
I still imagine Brian Blessed as Augustus from I, Claudius. So a little bit disappointing to see him looking like a teenager.

I guess the lead character artist must be a fan of HBO's Rome.
Yet he ruled from 36 to 75 years old.

His representation in Civ 7 is entirely inappropriate and, I continue to affirm, intentionally so.
 
Yet he ruled from 36 to 75 years old.

His representation in Civ 7 is entirely inappropriate and, I continue to affirm, intentionally so.
While I would have preferred an older Augustus (TBH I would have preferred Septimius Severus, but I digress), Octavian was involved in politics from a young age--but I do wish, if they were going to portray him as a young man, that he'd introduce himself as Gaius Octavianus instead of anachronistically as Augustus. I hardly see any reason to interpret the decision to portray him as a younger man as malicious. (And, incidentally, Hatshepsut is also portrayed as she would have been as queen-consort to Thutmose II; she was in her forties when she became pharaoh. See also: Civ5 Wu Zetian.)
 
Yet he ruled from 36 to 75 years old.

His representation in Civ 7 is entirely inappropriate and, I continue to affirm, intentionally so.
I guess we'll have to wait and see if every white male leader is belittled in a similar fashion. Ben Franklin seems unaffected, but he is very non-threatening.
 
I hardly see any reason to interpret the decision to portray him as a younger man as malicious.
The other Western leaders, Franklin and Napoleon, also look horrible.

That is indicative of a pattern, and thus of intentionality, which aligns with broader trends in the gaming industry.

@AriochIV

So far so "good".
 
While I would have preferred an older Augustus (TBH I would have preferred Septimius Severus, but I digress), Octavian was involved in politics from a young age--but I do wish, if they were going to portray him as a young man, that he'd introduce himself as Gaius Octavianus instead of anachronistically as Augustus. I hardly see any reason to interpret the decision to portray him as a younger man as malicious. (And, incidentally, Hatshepsut is also portrayed as she would have been as queen-consort to Thutmose II; she was in her forties when she became pharaoh. See also: Civ5 Wu Zetian.)
Octavianus/Augustus himself, though, made sure that every depiction of him showed him as a very young man - right up to his death in his 70s. They have found more portraits or him - statues, frescoes, paintings, coins, etc. than just about any other Roman, and every single one of them shows him as a relative youngster. You have to give him credit, he was persistent and thorough in his self-image . . .
 
It doesn't matter, because you have starting location in antiquity only. So, it's just one more modifier. How strong it is - could be different for different leaders.
How does that not matter? 1) You could start in a later Age, so I assume the other Civs will have starting biases too, and 2) a game-long bonus being unusable because of start position is more of a problem than a 1/3-game-long bonus being unusable because of start position, no?
 
I still imagine Brian Blessed as Augustus from I, Claudius. So a little bit disappointing to see him looking like a teenager.

I guess the lead character artist must be a fan of HBO's Rome.
Yet he ruled from 36 to 75 years old.

His representation in Civ 7 is entirely inappropriate and, I continue to affirm, intentionally so.
Speaking from experience it is quite possible to still get mistaken for looking like a teenager, even when you are actually in your twenties or early thirties.
 
Yet he ruled from 36 to 75 years old.

His representation in Civ 7 is entirely inappropriate and, I continue to affirm, intentionally so.

IIRC from my Roman studies in university, Octavian/Augustus was always somewhat sickly.

I don't find his portrayal inappropriate as he is in turn making other people sick. 🙃
 
The other Western leaders, Franklin and Napoleon, also look horrible.

That is indicative of a pattern, and thus of intentionality, which aligns with broader trends in the gaming industry.
All the leaders look horrible, and Napoleon is one of the less awful looking. There's no need to jump to conspiracy theories.

Octavianus/Augustus himself, though, made sure that every depiction of him showed him as a very young man - right up to his death in his 70s. They have found more portraits or him - statues, frescoes, paintings, coins, etc. than just about any other Roman, and every single one of them shows him as a relative youngster. You have to give him credit, he was persistent and thorough in his self-image . . .
Ramesses II did the same. 90 years old, but by his depictions he still looked like an athletic 20-something. :D

Speaking from experience it is quite possible to still get mistaken for looking like a teenager, even when you are actually in your twenties or early thirties.
I'm 34; I have a full beard. I recently got asked what high school I go to. :lol:
 
Civ 5 leaders are definitely the best so far
I'd rather not borrow leader models from Five Nights at Freddie's. :mischief:
 
I wish the leaders looked as good as their 2D portraits. :(
 
All the leaders look horrible, and Napoleon is one of the less awful looking. There's no need to jump to conspiracy theories.

I saw your comment about five nights at Freddy's in the other thread, and honestly I think it applies more to Civ VII leaders than V. I at least see some attempt at stylization, composition, theming in the V leaders, and the models are excusable for 2010 PC gaming. Moreover, you don't see metal pieces squash-n-stretching like on Theodora, Pachacuti, Gajah Mada, Genghis Khan, Gustavus Adolphus (the worst are Alexander, Oda Nobunaga, and Ramkhanhaeng, and still well-hidden), and otherwise the leaders' outfits were more responsibly designed to avoid that.

I don't see any excuse for the VII leaders looking this bad, except maybe they always intended to reuse VI models/animations and wanted to prime us to not criticize that decision. 🙃
 
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