Australian Civ

Australia are a perfectly valid Civ, yes they are part of the Commonwealth, but the Commonwealth holds no political power over Australia, it's a very different entity from the Empire. Australia stopped having legal ties to Britain since the 1940s when they essentially took total control of their own military (prior to this the Australian military were subordinate to the British military, in return Britain accepted responsibility for the defense of Australia). When Britain declared war in 1939, Australia went to war under the British declaration. Can you imagine the response if Britain attempted to commit Australia to a war now? The current links between Britain and Australia are due to an alliance derived of common culture. In most respects it is no different to the links between Britain and the USA. The Commonwealth is a free association, members are free to leave if they wish, though they have to apply to join (some members are Republics and a few were never part of the British Empire, Norway had an application to join rejected, and Charles De Gaulle even suggested that France should apply, though this was rejected by the French government).

To say that Australia shouldn't be in the game because they didn't exist in 4000BC makes no sense, neither did the USA, England, France, Germany etc etc.

The problem with the SASR is that (if they are anything like the British SAS) in order to make them realistic, you have to make them overpowered in the game, I don't think playability should suffer for realism. That said, I see no problem with them as a unique unit, Delta Force were modelled on the British SAS but that makes them no less American.

In all honesty though, If I were try and transcribe the SAS into CIV4, I wouldn't make them a unit in their own right, but would see them as Marines with about 15 promotions! They are very few in number due to the extremely high standards required, and thus cannot be produced en masse.

What about the Australian Defence Force? Maybe Infantry with a bonus in City Defence and maybe Forrestry I promotion?
 
charcoal, i clicked on the link and it said updating to version 2. is there anywhere else i could download from?
 
Impaler[WrG] said:
P.S. Has anyone considered using a Kangaroo siluete for the flag, It keeps with the Firaxis patern of not using real Flags from real countries (flags are changed often and have political conotations)
Why doesn't this pattern extend to England or Japan in that case? I think the clearer pattern is that of using simple symbols on an appropriately coloured banner than a flag per se. Since England and Japan both have flags like this, theirs can stay. Of course, Australia does not have a flag like this so it should still be changed. The other Australia mod uses the southern cross, as Wyz_sub said, and being the meat of the current flag I think this works.
 
Just read this thread and thought I'd add my 2c.. Although I know you're probably not likely to be making any modifications at this stage..

If there is still any debate between the leaders that should be featured, as much as I love ol' Johnnie, I'd suggest an aborigine - Trugannini (or whoever), and James Cook - seeing as he did come and settle here.... who cares if it wasn't 4000 years ago, it's a game! You can play as Trugannini if that's what you'd prefer ;)

As for the UU, I like the idea of the ol' digger - can't get more australian than that, though our SAS are a fantastic bunch of soldiers :D

Nice work, looking forward to testing it out when I get home..! Only just installed the game, and the first civ I looked for was Aus, but it wasn't there! Now it can be..! Thanks.
 
Since there has never actually been an aboriginal leader who has led australia i would like to shoot down that idea. Since there never was an aboriginal leader who united the hundreds of tribes and ruled over what is now Australian territory there certainly shouldnt be one 4000BC for the australia modelled off the government of the last hundred years.

Has anyone actually read the history or Yagan? This man does not deserve to be a leader, given his lack of accomplishments as an actual leader.

However, ive found the aboriginal civ in amra's mod quite good to play as or play against. Anyone interested should give it a go. Has all sorts of UU's (includng a worker with a strength score), but their phalanx unit skilled at taking down cavalry is a bit of a joke. :lol:

John Howard. I agree this man is a snake, but as far as leaders go he has tricked and manipulated his way into three terms democratically, thus, proving his political ability. He has got us involved in a number of conflicts and this war on terror, which will go down in history one way or the other. So while i dont like the man, and i voted against him, objectively he deserves leader status.
 
Very nicely done! I've been wanting an Australian Civ for ages.

There is one problem however, there is no download at the link you've provided.
 
I think Charcoal may update this mod for Warlords. We will just have to wait and see if and when he has the time.
 
I reckon the leaders should be Menzies and Whitlam, one for the mount of time in charge, t'other for the impact and shakeup he brought. Although I would love to see Boony as a leader. anything but Johnny Winston Howard :mad:

As far as unique units, the light horse would be good, essentially mounted infantry so infantry with two movement points might work, SASR is a good choice as well, but I also wondered if the coastwatchers could be somehow be utilized? I guess they would essentially be some sort of spy, hence of limited use.

All in all, looks good.
 
Is there an alternate link for this mod? The link on page 1 of this thread is not working (for me). Thanks
 
An Australian mod is included in CIV Gold, with Menzies as leader and Mounted Infantry (Light Horse) as the UU. The UB is the Athletics Complex.

As for the Aborigines civ, that one is mine (not the 2nd UU, though). It's alos in CIV Gold with Yagan and G. Yunupingu as leaders, the Woomera Wielder as the UU, and the Bora Ring as the UB.
 
A proper Australian leader should be Henry Parkes, the Father or Federation. There is a city named after him! He could be Charismatic, since he was to achieve what he did and perhaps he could be protective?

Unique Unit could be a modified horseman/cavalry type? called the Bushranger, that has a bonus to movement like a keshik or the mobility promo, or maybe bonus versus gunpowder unit?

Unique building? Pub? +1 happiness from wine?

Just 2 cent thoughts.
 
almost 2 1/2 year old?
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But anyways Welcome to CFC
 
well, i was here ages ago, and got a random email, linking to this page :S
i didn't realize it was so old ;)
just got internet back :D

Thats ok, i was just joking anyways, i found an Australian civ if your interested, in my sig i have the Aborigines already.:p Of course it is modular.
 
If you download my mod and module packs Australia is one of them (Module Pack II) and has fully flavored units (as they all do). To download this stuff check my signature. There are also three different flag/button options for Australia which you can customize to your liking; the Southern Cross, the Commonwealth Star, and a Boxing Kangaroo (they are all bicolor, so those are the white symbols over a dark blue banner).

If you have any questions go to the discussion thread for my mod (the link is in the download page for the mod). I hope this helps.
 
If the whole flag is the Australian flag, near the top, it gets very warped and looks ugly.
That way (with the actual flag on a green/gold background) was the best was I could come up with.

I know it's a bit late for it, but I think you chould add part of the flag rather than all, similar to the American flag. Why not simply use the Southern Cross or the seven point star?

Dryhad said:
Why doesn't this pattern extend to England or Japan in that case? I think the clearer pattern is that of using simple symbols on an appropriately coloured banner than a flag per se. Since England and Japan both have flags like this, theirs can stay. Of course, Australia does not have a flag like this so it should still be changed. The other Australia mod uses the southern cross, as Wyz_sub said, and being the meat of the current flag I think this works.
 
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