Babylonian Statecraft
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Carl Gustavman votes aye formalizing the motion, I believe.
Et_Absoluti
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I vote aye.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
Aye..
HorseshoeHermit
20% accurate as usual, Morty
"Having been instructed in matters agreed upon in prior days, I withdraw my comment about wartime provisions in our constitution.
With red cheeks.
"But with more time to study, I have found what I think is another peculiarity and of course, great kings of Babylon, I must draw it out for thorough examination until this slow mind of mine can be taught sense.
With red cheeks.
"But with more time to study, I have found what I think is another peculiarity and of course, great kings of Babylon, I must draw it out for thorough examination until this slow mind of mine can be taught sense.
It started with my considering not the law, sirs, but with that band of men called the royal expeditionary force. Some years ago, no one in Babylon knew the Maya existed. We knew there were barbarians, but these people have a language, a ruler. A home. Babylon knows what its people know, so Babylon did not know. And now Babylon knows of them.
"The constitution should not stand in the way of Babylon being changed by its knowledge for the better. Babylon will learn, because men learn. But men also forget. And men die.
"We must not forget the things we do in these councils. How we do things in these councils. We shouldn't learn again what Babylon has already mastered. And we shouldn't start over with each turning point. The same goes for the Emperor's unilateral decisions in themselves.
Our sapient emperor, rightminded, and in whom the vision of all Babylon is embodied, is rightly made the author of the imperial Will. Behind his vision Babylon is unified. And where succession is concerned, the emperor's heir will have the emperor's wisdom. But both Emperor and successor are served by.. by a sure retelling of what has passed.
And I demur this constitution, sirs, because I worry it sets in stone the unconstitutionality of creating provisions to counsel the emperor down the line, in ways we do not now know, but know will be found. Please hear me, kings.
Seriously struggling severely.
Jehoshua
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ooc: @Hermi: I have a sneaking suspicion that you are perturbed that all pretence to equalitarianism and democracy is being snuffed out under a wholehearted embrace of the games fundamentally aristocratic premise. But you aren't being very clear about what you're worried about so that's merely an impression I'm getting.
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IC: Lord Kislimu speaks with wisdom when he says: "We must not forget the things we do in these councils. How we do things in these councils. We shouldn't learn again what Babylon has already mastered." and it is in the spirit of these words that under our rule the traditions of Babylon and Atlandiz have been exalted and held up in their rightful place as the touchstone to which all consideration must refer. For profane and sacrilegious, and ignorant too, is the nation that forgets the past in pursuit of every novelty and innovation and forgets with impious haste the wisdom of the ages and the legacy that has been entrusted to them from the ancestors. Do not we Babylonians too have the most ancient of traditions, being the true scions of the Empire of Atlandiz of old, and the sons of a thousand years of rule by the great Nebuchadnezzid Kings.
Yet Lord Kislimu we think errs in his conclusion that the constitution we have proposed, and which numerous Lords have affirmed renders unlawful the counselling of the Emperor. Indeed is it not so that the sixth duty of Kings is to sit in council together at the Emperors summons? Is it not so that the Kings in council have the right to chastise the Emperor and veto his decisions with regards to foreign powers, or his judgement over a King. Is it not most certainly true likewise that the imperial powers are justly restricted that Kings might in accordance with tradition govern their cities freely and to their peoples own temperament, and that they might have the liberty to oppose a tyrannical emperor should he seek to ascend beyond what the constitution allows. All this is so, and has been enshrined in the constitution we have proposed, a constitution which undoubtedly lifts up high the vaunted traditions of our fathers and of thousands of years of hallowed monarchy, and many years more of the tradition of civic independence and dignity.
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IC: Lord Kislimu speaks with wisdom when he says: "We must not forget the things we do in these councils. How we do things in these councils. We shouldn't learn again what Babylon has already mastered." and it is in the spirit of these words that under our rule the traditions of Babylon and Atlandiz have been exalted and held up in their rightful place as the touchstone to which all consideration must refer. For profane and sacrilegious, and ignorant too, is the nation that forgets the past in pursuit of every novelty and innovation and forgets with impious haste the wisdom of the ages and the legacy that has been entrusted to them from the ancestors. Do not we Babylonians too have the most ancient of traditions, being the true scions of the Empire of Atlandiz of old, and the sons of a thousand years of rule by the great Nebuchadnezzid Kings.
Yet Lord Kislimu we think errs in his conclusion that the constitution we have proposed, and which numerous Lords have affirmed renders unlawful the counselling of the Emperor. Indeed is it not so that the sixth duty of Kings is to sit in council together at the Emperors summons? Is it not so that the Kings in council have the right to chastise the Emperor and veto his decisions with regards to foreign powers, or his judgement over a King. Is it not most certainly true likewise that the imperial powers are justly restricted that Kings might in accordance with tradition govern their cities freely and to their peoples own temperament, and that they might have the liberty to oppose a tyrannical emperor should he seek to ascend beyond what the constitution allows. All this is so, and has been enshrined in the constitution we have proposed, a constitution which undoubtedly lifts up high the vaunted traditions of our fathers and of thousands of years of hallowed monarchy, and many years more of the tradition of civic independence and dignity.
Tambien
Theseus, Duke of Athens
I just wanted to let you all know that I haven't been able to complete the update due to the weather. As a sidenote, let me just say that -2 degrees Fahrenheit is way, way too cold. 
I've been working on it when I can, but this Friday and weekend are gone for me because of a Model United Nations Conference (that they should have delayed -.-). I'll be doing what I can to get the update out as soon as possible.
I've been working on it when I can, but this Friday and weekend are gone for me because of a Model United Nations Conference (that they should have delayed -.-). I'll be doing what I can to get the update out as soon as possible.
filli_noctus
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You colonials and your exciting weather, all we get is drizzle, fog, the odd glimpse of sunshine that sends the media into a frenzy and the annual three inches of snow that brings the country to a grinding halt.
Will Laurence
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OOC: Hello, I would like to join this game.
Name: Nabonassar
House Name: Shamesh
IC: Though I fear I have arrived at this council too late, I concur with the decisions made here by my fellow citizens and peers. Long live Babylon!
Name: Nabonassar
House Name: Shamesh
IC: Though I fear I have arrived at this council too late, I concur with the decisions made here by my fellow citizens and peers. Long live Babylon!
Jehoshua
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Welcome to Babylon 
As you know Tambien is part-way through the orders and has real life occupations at present (something about it being cold). So please be patient with regards to the next update, whereupon you can make your debut in the court of Babylon.
As you know Tambien is part-way through the orders and has real life occupations at present (something about it being cold). So please be patient with regards to the next update, whereupon you can make your debut in the court of Babylon.
Tambien
Theseus, Duke of Athens
To anyone wondering, I thought I'd let you know that this isn't dead. The bad weather simply put me out of school for what amounted to 3 weeks, but didn't change the big international deadlines which we are held to. Thus, we've been frantically working to finish our multitude of assignments and I haven't had enough time to devote to this. That's changing, so hopefully I'll be able to push out the update soon.
Sorry about the delay, all.
~Tambien
Sorry about the delay, all.
~Tambien
