If BasketCase weighs the same as a duck, does that make him a witch?
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If BasketCase weighs the same as a duck, does that make him a witch?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
You are wise in the ways of science.
Sean Lock used it once on QI to describe some nice looking but silly lady.
I didn't even knew it could mean whore as described in urban dictionary. And I like the word, and will continue to use it, so I'll refuse that definition.
Sean Lock used it once on QI to describe some nice looking but silly lady.
I didn't even knew it could mean whore as described in urban dictionary. And I like the word, and will continue to use it, so I'll refuse that definition.
BasketCase
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This is Arwon dodging the question and sailing off-topic, right here.
Is Antarctic ice increasing, or not? Because you seemed to say earlier on that Antarctic ice was increasing. I just need to be really really sure, otherwise somebody in here is going to accuse me of misinterpreting. So I need you to answer really clearly, with a "yes" or a "no" and without any irrelevant smartass comments about Bill O'Reilly. (I do the irrelevant smartass comments around here.)
Oh, make no mistake: I wish death upon all radical Muslims.
However, nobody will die. When the Maldives gets flooded forever, everybody there will simply move (and since said flooding will take years to happen, they'll have plenty of time). And they will be forced to move to someplace that is not the Maldives, and pretty much all the other decent land on the planet is taken, which means their idiot government will be gone forever. And there will be much rejoicing.
And twisting my words around is intentional deception. You, sir, are a liar. Because what I said was not "all coastal and island nations". What I said was "all coastal and island THIRD WORLD nations THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING". Those nations are very few. (You did only list three nations, you know)
You called me a bint. A bint is a British word for a whore (it has a few other meanings, all of which are insulting). You will get no apologies out of me. I have no respect for being called buffoonish or ignorant, either. Though "arrogant" is one that I'm fine with.
Ziggy Stardust
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In Australia they call the drink Virgin Mary a Bloody Shame.
It's true.
It's true.
Terxpahseyton
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I feel that bringing forth data proving wikipedia wrong and you right would be more convincing than spouting allegations. Why didn't you?
BC: Yes, it is by some measures. Increased precipitation has meant more snow has been falling in the Antarctic, marginally increasing sea-ice volume in the East. This has been reported with great fanfare by the denialist community, but the overall picture in net terms is still of ice mass loss, because of changes to land ice and ice shelves in the West of the continent.
And you said "Global warming is considered complete bullcrap in many Third World countries. Make no mistake, Third World governments are clear on the concept--they either don't care (because they have even bigger problems), or they consider it a hoax perpetrated by First World nations in order to keep poor people poor."
Which is basically wrong. The countries which are already experiencing deleterious impacts and stand to experience more are universally concerned. The countries I named (three more than you did) are merely at the pointiest end of things (particularly Tuvalu). Ask the Bangladeshi government about it, or the government of any country in the Pacific, or of countries on the edges of the Sahara.
And you said "Global warming is considered complete bullcrap in many Third World countries. Make no mistake, Third World governments are clear on the concept--they either don't care (because they have even bigger problems), or they consider it a hoax perpetrated by First World nations in order to keep poor people poor."
Which is basically wrong. The countries which are already experiencing deleterious impacts and stand to experience more are universally concerned. The countries I named (three more than you did) are merely at the pointiest end of things (particularly Tuvalu). Ask the Bangladeshi government about it, or the government of any country in the Pacific, or of countries on the edges of the Sahara.
Formaldehyde
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BasketCase
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Thank you.
Now, here's the answer I didn't give you last time:
That's a loaded question, dude. But I'll run with it. And my answer is, so what? Antarctic ice is increasing. Actually, assuming the Southern Oceans are really warming up, the fact that Antarctic ice can increase in spite of warming oceans merely helps my arrogant
denialist agenda. When oceans warm up, ice is supposed to melt. Causes a real problem for the alarmists when the ice is growing faster than it's melting.Interesting side note: Antarctica is actually a rather complicated animal. It's shrinking in the west and growing by a larger amount in the east. That's why I got all on about that whole thing about measuring in lots of places.
Yes, I know. You're still not grasping the idea I posted: those countries which are already experiencing deleterious impacts (and stand to experience more) are a very small minority.
One of which is Bangledesh, which, with a population of 160 million, is 8th in population and 5th in population density- and every country higher in population density is a microstate.
And even if they are a small minority, they still exist, and they don't deserve to be submerged by rising ocean levels.
Sea ice and land ice are different things, BC. Antarctic sea ice comes and goes each year and isn't necessarily a function of sea temperature so much as surface conditions. And land ice is diminishing anyway.
Narz
keeping it real
That's really interesting. I never noticed that connection before.
There is only one period, where the red trend line does not increase. That period is around 1974. 1973-74 also saw the first oil crisis when an oil embargo by the OPEC led to an oil shortage and a sharp increase in oil price, which in turn caused many Western nations to take (temporary) measures to reduce oil consumptions. Coincidence?
How expensive would it be to create dikes around the populated islands of the Maldives and Tuvalu, along with the Bangladesh shore and other threatened areas? Surely that's the actual solution to that problem, right?
edit: I suppose the fact that Bangladesh is covered by the Ganges delta is the main problem there. Are there solutions that could work for that situation?
edit: I suppose the fact that Bangladesh is covered by the Ganges delta is the main problem there. Are there solutions that could work for that situation?
Wouldn't help with the salinity and the sea water bubbling up through the ground, at least in the case of Tuvalu.
More here.
More here.
Or really any low-lying coastal areas, which include some large cities (Shanghai, Osaka, Tokyo, Karachi, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Alexandria, Amsterdam, London, New York City, New Orleans, Miami) and densely populated breadbaskets (Yangtze Delta, Nile Delta, Mekong Delta).
BasketCase
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Absolutely. And here we get to the crux of the global warming problem (and also the Number One reason why I don't give a crap about global warming): the world has a limited amount of resources with which to solve problems. Nations whose people are starving also don't deserve to be ignored. And nations suffering under religious dictatorships also don't deserve to be ignored. And nations ravaged by AIDS also don't deserve to be ignored.
We can't solve all the worlds problems at once. And so it comes down to this: which problems do we solve? The world has a whole lot of problems much bigger than global warming (whose relevant disasters will all take many decades to happen, whereas starvation kills the same number of people in ONE year). Guess what, the world is gonna end up putting more effort into the bigger problems. And global warming is not going to be one of them.
Well, maybe not the solution, but certainly one of them: many nations have already used this exact solution to deal with intruding oceans. Hell, half of San Francisco used to be ocean.
Thank you for being in this thread, by the way. Most of the people in global warming threads annoy the hell outta me (because this kind of thread tends to draw the agenda-driven nutcases). You, on the other hand, have got your ducks in a row.
Dragonlord
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How very, very true.... The only question is: who here fits that description best....?
BasketCase
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Obviously not me, because my posts don't line up with any political agenda. I can't possibly be an agenda-driven nutcase, because I don't have an agenda.
DUH.
I'm not an agenda-driven nutcase, I'm just a nutcase.
DUH.
I'm not an agenda-driven nutcase, I'm just a nutcase.
Dragonlord
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ParadigmShifter
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Genius is often tainted by madness, however BasketCase proves that the former is not a necessary prerequisite for the latter.
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