battles that realy did change the World?

[Vietcong]

i was wondering, what battles realy did change world history forever?
and im not talking about battles that just effected the time, but all of time, and not just the area, such as asia, but the entier world.

one battle that comes to mind is hastings.
england had a major efect on all the world, and if the normans took power, no telling how the saxons might have done.

ww2, the war its self change history, but i cant see any single battle from it changeing world history, the germands whear defeted by a string of battles, not just any 1.

allso as a bounus, what if at the battle of gaugamula*sp* the persian calvery and infantry that broke throw alexanders line had, insted of atacking the suplie train, atacked his rear?? whold this spell a crushing defeat for alexander, his forces whear under much stress during the battle. and maby a reconquest of old persian land by them.

 

[Dreadnought]

Tours.

It kept European Christian.

If that didn't change the whole world, nothing did.

 

[ohcrapitsnico]

Tours.

It kept European Christian.

If that didn't change the whole world, nothing did.

That was the one battle I was thinking of.

Sieges of vienna, battle of lepanto, talas, and manzikert were quite important but not as important as tours.

First two stopped the ottoman advance and the hapsburgs would be no more if the ottomans successfully captured vienna in 1529. Manzikert ultimately brought the turks to the middle east and was one of those few battles that brought down the byzantine empire. Talas, stopped Chinese expansion into turkestan and in the middle east and brought paper into the islamic world.

There was yarmuk and qadisiyyah that the muslims nearly lost without those victories Islam might not have left the arabian peninsula. Those battles ultimately crippled the Sassanid persian empire, and destroyed the byzantine presence in the levant and africa.

 

[Vietcong]

tours *sp* was hardly that important to world history as many ppl think..
thay whould have likley been defeted further into eruope, lets not forget thay whear already far from home, and very unuse to the envorment.

 

[civverguy]

Tours.

It kept European Christian.

If that didn't change the whole world, nothing did.

France would've still been reconquered and made Christian like Spain and Portugal.

 

[ohcrapitsnico]

tours *sp* was hardly that important to world history as many ppl think..
thay whould have likley been defeted further into eruope, lets not forget thay whear already far from home, and very unuse to the envorment.

Maybe but Europe at that time was in a hole, completely unorganized and weak, if anyone was ging to stop them it would be Charles Martel, if Charles Martel was defeated, the conquest would continue until the muslims didn't want to conquere anymore because they got tired, driven by religion completely throws out "unused to the environment". Their means of warfare in new lands as these would be easier, as 1, the environments aren't as harsh, 2, their camels easily spooked horses, 3, the change in climate/terrain was an easy one, not like what alexander faced between macedon and india, 4, lastly their drive was enormous.

The reason they failed was that they pushed so far too fast that they ran out of steam.

 

[Tee Kay]

This had to be one of the most important battle of all time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr

 

[Gaius Octavius]

I imagine the siege of New York was a lot more influential than people think. What if Washington hadn't gotten away from the British and had been forced to surrender his army? America might never have been born.

It's almost unknown, but important.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Chaos Theory EVERY SINGLE BATTLE SHAPPED the WORLD

for example if Alexander whom was nearly killed early on the campaign in asia minor (Turkey) He was saved by one brave solider then the entire hellantic age, greek golden age would have not happened and it flows on from there.

If hitler had been Killed during the bloody fighting in Passcandales in which the bunker he had been station at mark as an objective had been taken. It is likley that ww2 might not have occured or been wildly different.

 

[Steph]

Why do always call it the battle of Tours?
It's Poitiers!

 

[Pokurcz]

Battle of Warsaw 1920.

If the outcome would have been different everybody would have spoken Russian as far as Paris.

 

[aronnax]

Does this thread appear in some form everytime the previous one dies?

 

[fing0lfin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(718)

Stopped a well-prepared and massive attempt of the muslims to enter Europe.

 

[aronnax]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_%28718)

Stopped a well-prepared and massive attempt of the muslims to enter Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_constantinople

A well-prepared and massive attempt of muslims to enter Europe.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Why do always call it the battle of Tours?
It's Poitiers!

the two names are often confused...

only battle that really changed the world? hand-to-hand battle between first true homo sapiens and other monkey-like being. if you believe in evolution.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Why do always call it the battle of Tours?
It's Poitiers!

Because there is another Battle of Poitiers that was an important part of the Hundred Years War.

My choice is the Battle of Sedan which resulted in the demise of the Second French Empire and the creation of a united Germany. The outcome of that war and what happened for much of the next 75 years of world history including both world wars are a direct result of that battle.

 

[Agent Cooper]

Trafalger - England would become a superpower for the next century.
Marathon - the beginning of the end of Persian domination and ambition in Europe.
Waterloo - Napoleons defeat changed the European landscape.
Battle of Britain - kept England in the war, which was essential for the D-day invasion.
Thermopylea - a Greek defeat, but bought them enough time to regroup and win in the end.

 

[MadScotsMan]

My history before the the 18th century is murky, so I would say the Siege of Paris by the Prussians in the 1870s(?). Fueled years of hatred. Or maybe Waterloo....Or imagine if the South won at Gettysburg, or if Grant was killed while fighting out west? Lots of battles made the world full of what ifs. Damn, I am off to study!

 

[Luckymoose]

My history before the the 18th century is murky, so I would say the Siege of Paris by the Prussians in the 1870s(?). Fueled years of hatred. Or maybe Waterloo....Or imagine if the South won at Gettysburg, or if Grant was killed while fighting out west? Lots of battles made the world full of what ifs. Damn, I am off to study!

None of those with different outcomes would change the world to drastically. They would try again and the outcome would be the same.

 

[frob2900]

Waterloo?

Stalingrad? (I'm not sure about this one.. Germany would probably have lost anyway)

Gettysburg, maybe.

[EDIT] Hah, I must have thought of the last one subconsciously after just having viewed Luckymooses avatar