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Bible talk

  • Jesus repeated that everything written about him in the Scripters had to be fulfilled.
  • Jesus: 'Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Not to nitpick, but at the time, there were no scriptures other than the OT. "Thus it is written...." must be metaphorical. Reading that passage in particular it does not sound like Jesus is speaking. The author seems to be attributing later ideas to Jesus. maybe it is a translation issue?
 
I would recommend a reading of the full context in the KJV. Perhaps the most important evidence of the faith are the prophesies of the Messiah that are found in the OT that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus, who made a point of explaining it to them after his resurrection. Reading the four gospels and the book of Acts is helpful in understanding the great commission and also in understanding the motivations of evangelicals.
 
"White Jesus" is very popular among many western Christians.
 
Want some more evidence of God, here's this:

  • The Sun is approximately 400 times larger than the Moon.
  • The Sun is also 400 times farther away from Earth than the Moon.
Ergo, eclipses. If it were not so then these things such as eclipses would not be the same. Every time the sky winks at us it's a reminder of the Lord.

:D

This last eclipse featured prominences, disruptions above the surface of the sun that extend outside the coverage of the moon which appeared to the eye as red dots. This is something I don't remember seeing in 2017.
 
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Took the kid out of school and drove for a day so he'd get the big show.

The thing is amazing. For one brief spell, you can see the fire that lights the sky in a totally unique way. The sun, predictably blinding, gets to sexy veil dance for a change. For one moment, there is dawn on every horizon.

The amount of things that all need to go right and line up just so in order for somebody to see a totality once, much less twice, as I have been fortunate enough to do, is a humbling sort of thanks to give. All in all, it's almost as fun as kissing a pretty girl. ;)
 
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"White Jesus" is very popular among many western Christians.

As is Japanese Jesus among Japanese Christians, and black Jesus among black Christians... ;-) Outside of some black groups and some white groups (Christian Identity comes to mind), I doubt anyone really thinks he looked Chinese, French, etc. Mary is also invariably represented as a member of the culture creating the art -- and the Holy Family was usually depicted in the clothing of the creative culture (medieval robes, Japanese kimonos, etc) until the industrial era or so.
 
As is Japanese Jesus among Japanese Christians, and black Jesus among black Christians... ;-) Outside of some black groups and some white groups (Christian Identity comes to mind), I doubt anyone really thinks he looked Chinese, French, etc. Mary is also invariably represented as a member of the culture creating the art -- and the Holy Family was usually depicted in the clothing of the creative culture (medieval robes, Japanese kimonos, etc) until the industrial era or so.
can't speak for the others, but i've heard enough people unironically claiming jesus was white. people have been doing hack academic work to try and prove it, too. it's not just a hollywood movie joke

edit: nvm i missed one of your sentences, i'm not contary to what you wrote whatsoever. indeed, as you noted: most people think he was semitic, and a minority of nutjobs try to claim his as part of racial superiority
 
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.'

You're going to have to define "creature". Otherwise, they're going to be very busy preaching not only to humans, but also to every cat, dog, horse, donkey, bird, moth, worm, bee, snake (how's that for irony? :D), and so on and on and on. Did they manage to convince many of these "creatures" to give up their cat, dog, horse, donkey, bird, moth, worm, bee, snake, etc. beliefs, or were they damned because this religion is speciesist?

This conversation reminds me of a scene from Jesus of Nazareth.


I've seen that miniseries a few times. I just realized now that Michael York and Olivia Hussey have worked together in more productions than I'd realized (Romeo and Juliet, this miniseries, the musical Lost Horizon).

Want some more evidence of God, here's this:

  • The Sun is approximately 400 times larger than the Moon.
  • The Sun is also 400 times farther away from Earth than the Moon.
Ergo, eclipses. If it were not so then these things such as eclipses would not be the same. Every time the sky winks at us it's a reminder of the Lord.

:D

This last eclipse featured prominences, disruptions above the surface of the sun that extend outside the coverage of the moon which appeared to the eye as red dots. This is something I don't remember seeing in 2017.

:lol:
:lmao:
:rotfl:

Seriously, THIS is what you take as "evidence of God"?

It's just physics, and sheer luck that at this particular time in our planet's history, when there are people capable of understanding physics, the Moon is at exactly the right distance from Earth to make total solar eclipses possible.

Here's the thing. The Moon used to be much closer to Earth than it is now. Again, that's physics. It's been slowly spiraling out into a farther orbit ever since, so each year it's a little farther away, and therefore appears as smaller in the sky. We don't notice this at present, because the human lifespan is so short, and this recession is so slow.

Have a read: Total solar eclipses are cosmic coincidences that won't last forever

As is Japanese Jesus among Japanese Christians, and black Jesus among black Christians... ;-) Outside of some black groups and some white groups (Christian Identity comes to mind), I doubt anyone really thinks he looked Chinese, French, etc. Mary is also invariably represented as a member of the culture creating the art -- and the Holy Family was usually depicted in the clothing of the creative culture (medieval robes, Japanese kimonos, etc) until the industrial era or so.

People create their gods in their own image, or the images of things they consider important. You're not going to get beaver-gods in ancient Egypt, because they didn't have beavers there. But they did have gods and goddesses based on what was within their experience of nature.

There's a book I read back in high school about the various stage productions of Jesus Christ Superstar. It's fascinating how some productions try to make it as traditional as possible, while others go high-tech. I worked on two productions of it, 20 years apart. Both were mostly traditional, and actually pretty minimalist when it came to the set. The high-tech stuff came with the strobe lighting (for the Simon Zealotes scene), the fog machine, use of projection on a scrim to show images of war during the Gethsemane scene, this was the first musical that theatre company did when each main singer sang into an individual microphone, and let us not forget the 25w light bulb ( :p ) that we used in the campfire scene (I think I still have that; I swiped it from my Lite Brite game and took it back after the show's run was over).

Some other productions went heavy into the Vietnam War imagery, which I'm relieved that ours didn't. About the most modern we got with presenting some scenes other than how I've already mentioned was that King Herod's court was set up like a gym. Herod wore a track suit and spent much of the song lounging in a hot tub, while his court alternately exercised and snacked on junk food. The director decided we needed some comedy relief since the rest of the show was increasingly grim and violent.

These are 43-year-old memories, btw.
 
Prophesy fulfilled right before our eyes:

2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,...

Galations 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
Prophesy fulfilled right before our eyes:

2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,...

Galations 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
To whom is all this directed?
 
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10,11
 
Faces of rage. That's what you will get from younger generations who are open to the "good" news of the gospel until they glean to the fact that it all depends on their acknowledgement of personal sins. This is different from the past; the average non-believer is now less familiar with the Bible and greatly insulated with a culture that is designed to make someone else the fault for every negative situation or circumstance.

Human life in the universe began with a curse and the word ends with a promise of ... a curse.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Faces of rage. That's what you see when they hear that we are born into sin and lost and wandering hopelessly but for the grace of a sovereign God. They will not hear it. They have been led to believe that they had some agency in the big scheme. They will not suffer the macroaggression. Stuck loco at it, used to being petted at the hint of microaggressions, real or perceived, almost unable to comprehend when presented with the idea...

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
And this is how we know that we are in the last days...

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Faces of rage, as they live in defiance. But then they die and witness the death mask, the face of horror and widened eyes as they draw away from the reaching darkness, the haughtiness given away to abject terror.
 
Prophesy fulfilled right before our eyes:

2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,...

Galations 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Those a prophecies in the same manner that horoscopes are predictions of personality, and the I Ching guides one future and Nostradamus predicted the future. Neither NT or OT prophesies have ever been accurate predictors. They are too open to to interpretation about the rime and place so that they have been called "fulfilled" many times in the past.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10,11
Just preaching with hope that some will take it to heart.
Faces of rage. That's what you will get from younger generations who are open to the "good" news of the gospel until they glean to the fact that it all depends on their acknowledgement of personal sins. This is different from the past; the average non-believer is now less familiar with the Bible and greatly insulated with a culture that is designed to make someone else the fault for every negative situation or circumstance.

Human life in the universe began with a curse and the word ends with a promise of ... a curse.



Faces of rage. That's what you see when they hear that we are born into sin and lost and wandering hopelessly but for the grace of a sovereign God. They will not hear it. They have been led to believe that they had some agency in the big scheme. They will not suffer the macroaggression. Stuck loco at it, used to being petted at the hint of microaggressions, real or perceived, almost unable to comprehend when presented with the idea...


And this is how we know that we are in the last days...


Faces of rage, as they live in defiance. But then they die and witness the death mask, the face of horror and widened eyes as they draw away from the reaching darkness, the haughtiness given away to abject terror.
Moderator Action: If you want to preach to the non believers at CFC, please start a new thread and name it to accurately reflect your intentions.

BTW, If God's plan from the start was to create a world of adoring followers, he has failed miserably for 6000 years and even had to start over twice. Once when he killed everyone with a flood and then again about 2000 years later when he had to send his son to die to demonstrate his mercy. And now, another 2000 years later, if we are in the end times as you say above, god is bringing things to a close with most of of the world still unsaved. Is god a loser when it comes to convincing people? Or perhaps it is his believers who are not up to the task and making god look weak?
 
Womanly, even.
 
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