Black Women Matter

[Farm Boy]

Hrm. So, did I read that wrong, or is the study essentially lying to me and full of feces?

 

[Berzerker]

My link has 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 cases. The 1700 for a 20 month period sounds right (every year it seems to be over 900 but under 1000).

The 11 cases in 2016 is just black women. Doesn't count women of other races. Your '100' does.

I'm assuming black women made up a sizeable chunk of the 100, but you're right - it wouldn't be 57% of 100-115 were unarmed black women. And from the cases you mentioned, I dont see no-knock raids as being particularly prominent or questionable grounds for the shootings.

 

[Bamspeedy]

'Unarmed' apparantly means they didn't have a gun. Nevermind if they had an axe or some other weapon. The study I posted only lists 'shootings', the study in the OP counts all killings. Unless these involve car crashes or something, I don't think there has been many "I can't breathe" deaths or deaths from tazers.

I went through 2016 and 2017 from my source:

Total killed:
White Men-876
Black Men-436
White Women-46
Black Women-20

Total killed when completely 'unarmed' (no weapon of any kind):
White men-44 (5%)
Black men-36 (8.3%)
White women-8 (17.4%)
Black women-2 (10%)
(Percentages are: Total unarmed/Total killed within each group.

Total killed either unarmed or with weapon that was not a gun:
White men-361 (41.2%)
Black men-168 (38.5%)
White women-24 (52.2%)
Black women-11 (55%)
Percentages are: Total unarmed + weapon that is not gun/Total killed within each group.

This last group of stats show white men and black men have similar rates, black women are the worst, but the study neglects to mention anything about the white women.

 

[Berzerker]

Now I dont know why my link in the OP said unarmed white and black males were about the same Looks to me like black men are more likely to be killed too, which is what I thought. And only 2 unarmed black women were killed.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

In the UK last year, the police apparently killed a grand total of 4 people. Just for comparison.

 

[Farm Boy]

'Unarmed' apparantly means they didn't have a gun. Nevermind if they had an axe or some other weapon. The study I posted only lists 'shootings', the study in the OP counts all killings. Unless these involve car crashes or something, I don't think there has been many "I can't breathe" deaths or deaths from tazers.

Assuming Bamspeedy is right(of course! ), I shall now serve as an example of why people sometimes read studyies and wonder if they're talking about rape, of if they're talking about rape rape - and that is not unlikely to be entirely my fault for not teasing out a brief definition of terms somewhere in those 20 pages.

 

[Bamspeedy]

I just read through the study more carefully. No, they didn't count car crashes. But no clear definition on what 'unarmed' means. They looked at cases from 2013 to 2014, so lower rates when the Washington Post started keeping track (but of only shootings), could suggest a 'Black Lives Matter' effect.
There have been deaths from physically restraining people, but no handy database for it, so don't know the numbers.

Berzerker-No knock raids resulting in deaths seemed to be more of a pre-2011 thing.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/13/black-womens-lives-matter-police-shootings_n_6644276.html

Last 5 cases I think of those 15 were no knock, all 2010 and earlier (article was written in 2015).

 

[Kyriakos]

I wonder if people look forward to have this black vs white issue being a focal point for the next 4 decades of their lives. Cause humanity sucks, but some of the boring issues are even more boring than the rest of the garbage we have to deal with. At least being poor is sort of a state one can change (albeit not easily, and also needing some luck), unlike being 'white' or 'black'.
Stupid planet gonna stupid.

 

[Farm Boy]

But no clear definition on what 'unarmed' means.

Precisely. I'm now, unless you want to correct me, pretty certain that I've been intentionally misled - and that they knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[inthesomeday]

I wonder if people look forward to have this black vs white issue being a focal point for the next 4 decades of their lives. Cause humanity sucks, but some of the boring issues are even more boring than the rest of the garbage we have to deal with. At least being poor is sort of a state one can change (albeit not easily, and also needing some luck), unlike being 'white' or 'black'.
Stupid planet gonna stupid.

You’re not from America so imagine having “this black vs White issue” be a focal point for literally 500 years. Then imagine you’re not white.

 

[Farm Boy]

A Time to Kill?

The echo there is poignant. Annoying how irritated I am at Washington University now.

 

[Berzerker]

Precisely. I'm now, unless you want to correct me, pretty certain that I've been intentionally misled - and that they knew exactly what they were doing.

my fault for not figuring out something was wrong

 

[Farm Boy]

No, I'm not going to blame you. In fact, the thought, "They didn't do something stupid with the definition of "unarmed" did they?" actually crossed my mind. I discounted it because I read who produced the report. But I won't forget it now. One shouldn't forget who's proven they lie.