Estebonrober
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We word how we put this very carefully in the medical field. We explicitly never fat shame.
that’s said we never fat praise either.
Body Shaming Lizzo
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We word how we put this very carefully in the medical field. We explicitly never fat shame.
that’s said we never fat praise either.
Unless the person you're criticizing is unaware of this fact, yes. To answer your second question, yes again. It's not your place to have an opinion on what another person is or is not comfortable with. You don't know their reasons for their dimensions, and need to consider that there may be medical reasons you know nothing about.
For instance: You meet someone you knew earlier in life, when that person was obese. Now they're thin. You compliment them on being skinny now, and they say, "Thank you. I have cancer." (this is something I read in the newspaper once, as something that really did happen)
Or take the case of someone who is on medication that comes with the side effect that they gain weight and discontinuing the medication is not an option. Shaming that person is despicable.
And since you don't know beforehand if an underlying medical condition is causing either of these situations, it's best to keep any judgmental opinions to yourself.
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Meh. I'm morbidly obese. If someone tells me I'm morbidly obese, I'm not shamed. There is a difference between statement of fact and shaming, I think. I'm not invested in investigating this specific case, but I will say that remarking on Lizzo has long passed the threshold if Twitter is anything to go by. I'm not opposed to laughing at crass humour (I laughed at the table-breaking event, and am no stranger myself to dealing with low-weight furniture) but there are a lot of people who specifically target her and try to limit her due to her obesity, and that's simply nonsense. They tell her to cover up, that she shouldn't be confident, that she's inherently unattractive. All garbage things to say.
But I will also say that a lot of people do celebrate Lizzo's obesity. They specifically go out of their way to say that being morbidly obese is fine and good. It is even something to strive to be. And, well, it really isn't. A few extra pounds is not equal to nearly weighing the same as two people. You can still be valuable as a person while also acknowledging that the way you treat your body is sub-par. This doesn't require ridicule, of course. If you're trying to hurt someone, you're no longer in the realm of facts or advocacy. You're just in the realm of being rude. Many say being rude is intended to be the catalyst for lasting positive change, but we all know at this point that's a bunch of hogwash. It's also been disproven by science, which is the word they use to justify shaming someone for their weight.
But I will also say that a lot of people do celebrate Lizzo's obesity. They specifically go out of their way to say that being morbidly obese is fine and good. It is even something to strive to be. And, well, it really isn't. A few extra pounds is not equal to nearly weighing the same as two people. You can still be valuable as a person while also acknowledging that the way you treat your body is sub-par. This doesn't require ridicule, of course. If you're trying to hurt someone, you're no longer in the realm of facts or advocacy. You're just in the realm of being rude. Many say being rude is intended to be the catalyst for lasting positive change, but we all know at this point that's a bunch of hogwash. It's also been disproven by science, which is the word they use to justify shaming someone for their weight.
It doesn't look like it from your pics. I mean you seem a bit overweight, but "morbidly obese" is another category.
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BMI of 41.6 baybeeeeeee
Granted, my ribs stick out at a BMI of 30 due to being barrel chested, but I'm still well past the "yikes, dawg" stage right now. I'm very short.
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A shatteringly tall 5'5". Without the compression at the top of my spine and with better posture, an overbearing 5'6".
And?
http://unitconverter.io/meters/feet/1.72
We almost have the same height, if 1.72 meters= 5,643 feet ^_^
Huh. That is pretty short. I'd still be on the very light side of "normal" if I was your height, but I'm not, so that's fun. So, I guess that you're, what, 18 stone or so? BMI doesn't really work well for the overly-muscled and those with unusual body shapes, but that doesn't sound quite as bad as some of those really corpulent people you sometimes see on TV.
It's 1.68 cm in proper system
. About 10 cm less than average American height for men.It's 1.68 cm in proper system
The (english) feet system is dumb
And yes, 1.72 meters is 5,642 feet, but usually feet/inches are used, in which case it is almost 5.8 (?) https://coolconversion.com/lenght/cm-to-feet-inches/How-tall-is_1.72_m_in_feet_and_inch_?
Having two different bases in the same amount is really bizarre.
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It really is awful
If you use a period to separate your thousands then yeah it's almost on the nose
Just imagine the horror of having to use Fahrenheit or pre-decimal money too!
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The worst I've been is 280 pounds/20 stone. This was during the height of my bingeing with reckless abandon and no attempt at self-regulation.
I genuinely can't fathom how someone can get over 300 pounds/22 stone without height playing a major part in it (e.g. you're over six feet). At my worst there was a noticeable impact on just basic living and I was eating as much as I could stuff into my gullet. It just impacts living so much, and then there are people who not only weigh more than 300 but go above 400 too. Granted, I'm at a disadvantage due to general health and I'm more sensitive, but I do struggle to see how 300+, 400+, is livable. And I struggle to see how someone can live like that and then also have the gall to publicly say that it's fine and good to weigh so much, that there's "health at every size," that they simply practice self-care and they're beautiful.
Am I a fat shamer? I guess I fit the bill. I've lived with morbid obesity and its effects, I've seen it and its effects in others. I find it really difficult to consider obesity a neutral trait.
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I think enabling factors play a big role when people get that large. By this I mean the availability of personal transport, jobs that require no movement, handicap aids in public facilities, cheap & high-calorie foods, etc. If you took those things out of society, people would be thinner by necessity. It's hard to reach 400 pounds if you have to walk all day for your job, for example.
I thought it was a joke the first time I heard about non-decimal British pounds. I really did.
280 pounds seems to be 127 kilograms.
That isn't "morbidly" obese. It is pretty overweight for your height, but not that into "damnnnn" territory
Many years ago I weighted 240 pounds (110 kilograms) for 2 years. Which was impressive also due to the fact that I used to weight 120 pounds (55 kilograms) in my university years, so I got to be double that!!! Then slimmed down again, to more logical territory, a bit below 70 kilograms.
It isn't easy to lose so much weight, but it can be done. The start is obviously the hardest bit.
When a country has been minting its own currency for a dozen centuries, you tend to get all sorts of eccentricities.
When a country has been minting its own currency for a dozen centuries, you tend to get all sorts of eccentricities.
Nomismata> pounds
Or, as Aristophanes says, it seems Oboloi are a thing everywhere (given even Charon uses them).
