Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
This slingshot is harder to get on higher levels - in warlord you can research all techs before and even then get slingshot.
We got philo in and I picked CoL as free tech and started math.
Bowsling 1: Russia
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This slingshot is harder to get on higher levels - in warlord you can research all techs before and even then get slingshot.
We got philo in and I picked CoL as free tech and started math.
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
Spoiler :
Spoiler screenies :
We have: 6 towns (total 12 pop)
Units: 3 workers, 1 scout, 1 warrior, 3 archers, 2 spearmen, 2 curraghs
Compared to germany we are weak, but more advanced (they have horse riding, we have philo, math and CoL)
Germany does not have iron connected yet, but they have 2 resources and of those two can be pillaged using scout.
Next player notes:
I've been gathering small force in Irony - our goal would be stop Germany getting Iron.
Please note, lux slider is on 20%, switch it to 10% once Moscow builds spear (moscow will then have 1 unit as MP)
I believe, next player can declare war.
We should not let germany connect iron.
We also have unknown border in the north - is it india?
My mistakes (I know of):
Road to Irony goes with "a bend", more direct road should be made.
Bad settling for The Commune
I forgot to switch novgorod from granary to something else.
Have not played civ for quite while, hope it's OK?
The_Hess
Chieftain
Good set of turns there. We can probably squeeze a few cities around The Commune so it isn't a big problem. Hopefully it gets a bit more exciting once we take the fight to the Germans. Just hope we don't go in favourites and end up getting thumped 4-0...
CharcoalDioxide
Chieftain
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It could be the chinese or france.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
lurker's comment:
Unless my eyes deceive me, the Germans have iron within Berlin's borders.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
Got it. Will look at the save and post my thoughts later today.
CharcoalDioxide
Chieftain
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You should start settling on that desert, oil and saltpeter might appear later on.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
You're right. But we wasted an initial 20 turns of research on TW, so grabbing philosophy first if we also first did CoL wasn't a sure thing anymore.
I've played this map before, but for those of you that did not, do not open the next spoiler (though in fact I do not think it is spoilerish, it is what you can expect knowing the game, knowing this is an 180X180 earth map, and knowing there are 31 civs on the map).
Spoiler :
Don't worry, you did a reasonable job, and many mistakes where made before your turnset.
To the team as a whole I must say that we have made many mistakes until now and that is in part because of playing without a clear goal/plan, and in part because as far as there was a plan, we did not make all decisions optimal with regards to that goal/plan.
In my view, the opening is the most important part of the game. I do not like micromanagement, but I think in the first 80-100 turns of the game it is essential for a good result. By way of comparision, I replayed the game until 975BC (we are 2 turns later in 925BC now), and here is the comparison:
We at 925BC: 6 towns (total 12 pop), 3 workers, 1 scout, 1 warrior, 3 archers, 2 spearmen, 2 curraghs, no contacts besides Germany.
My game at 975BC: 11 towns (total 24 pop), 2 setters, 9 workers, 1 scout, 12 warriors, 5 archers, 1 spearmen, 2 curraghs, 2 contacts besides Germany.
(I did not have the 4000BC save, so I used Kal-Els original map, adding random start locations, 31 civs, and Germany and Russia on the spots we know. I don't know if Bowsling has modified other settings, but I did not).
It is really not brilliant play I did, just focussed goal oriented play and decision making. Something like this: we want to expand as quickly as possible. We can have a 4 turn settler factory at Moscow, so let's make that as soon as possible. If this means irrigating al the way from St Petes to Moscow, then do it. Do not move the settler if the benefit of doing that does not help with expansion; do not develop any tile if that does not help with expansion; in the cities/city that will be your worker/settler pumps, do not build anything that does not help with expansion (except occasional filler builds needed for the growth that is needed for workers/settlers).
Initially all worker actions should be targeted towards the expansion goal. Ok, the accidental road. And ok, I let Moscow buld 1 settler first to have a town that can build units while Moscow builds the granary and is on worker/settlers. The settler factory was up and running in 2110 when it produced a settler taking 6 turns, but then it was developed for 4 turn production and produced 9 more settlers and 1 worker before 975BC.
Moral of all this is: goal oriented play - no action/build/research path that is not motivated by some plan. And avoid self-inflicted waste (building a rax in the settler pump; bulding a granary in a town that should produce units).
For example, this:
is something we really shoud not do. First, because there is still more useful terrain to settle. Second, because desert towns will never be productive before railroad. Third, Germany will get there first. Fourth, by the time oil and saltpeter will appear there, we will already own the whole continent.
I do not want to sound overly critical but this map is going to be a bit tougher than you may expect and we really should play this with a litlle bit more concentration I feel.
As to our current situation, I will post later today.
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
IMO settling desert is last priority, first get as much "good" land as possible - settling new town increases corruption and desert towns need working to get as much as possible out of 'em. We can work on desert towns after getting us our own continent, right now we need all we can against germans.
EDIT: We need quite many more workers, I imagined The Commune as Worker-factory.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
You're right, but it is not connect yet, we have a scout next to it.
Bowsling
Deity
ThinkTank, you're up, are you playing your turnset?
ThinkTank
RL Addict
I will play tomorrow.
CharcoalDioxide
Chieftain
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First, because there is still more useful terrain to settle. Second, because desert towns will never be productive before railroad. Third, Germany will get there first. Fourth, by the time oil and saltpeter will appear there, we will already own the whole continent.
I do not want to sound overly critical but this map is going to be a bit tougher than you may expect and we really should play this with a litlle bit more concentration I feel.
As to our current situation, I will post later today.
Well, at least on the plains and maybe near the hills?
ThinkTank
RL Addict
Ok, here is my plan for the next turns.
Priority 1. We need to expand more rapidly, and need more workers to develop our lands.
Priority 2. Grab iron.
Priority 3. Keep up a decent tech pace either by research or trade.
Priority 4. Remove the Germans from the continent.
We are not ready for a sustained war against the Germans, at least not without seriously compromising our priority 1 goal. So this will have to wait. What we can probably do with a 5 or 6 archer stack is to conquer Frankfurt and grab iron. So a short war to grab the iron, then make peace again.
Moscow needs irrigation to be a 4 turn settler factory, will go for that straight away. So more workers first. Then Moscow on settler, other towns on raxes/units and an occasional worker maybe.
Please let me know if this is fine with you.
Priority 1. We need to expand more rapidly, and need more workers to develop our lands.
Priority 2. Grab iron.
Priority 3. Keep up a decent tech pace either by research or trade.
Priority 4. Remove the Germans from the continent.
We are not ready for a sustained war against the Germans, at least not without seriously compromising our priority 1 goal. So this will have to wait. What we can probably do with a 5 or 6 archer stack is to conquer Frankfurt and grab iron. So a short war to grab the iron, then make peace again.
Moscow needs irrigation to be a 4 turn settler factory, will go for that straight away. So more workers first. Then Moscow on settler, other towns on raxes/units and an occasional worker maybe.
Please let me know if this is fine with you.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
lurker's comment:
Why not just conquer Berlin, and grab the iron and the gems? I'd be surprised if Berlin is defended by more than two spears at Monarch.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
Guys, I'm playing, but I won't finish today, and tomorrow is work and then the Netherlands-Uruguay match o the world cup. Wednesday I'm free so I'll finish then, sorry for the delay.
Maybe. Problem is this 6 archer/1 spear stack is all our useful military, and slow, and we are fairly defenseless in the homelands. Terrain around Berlin is rivers, so we would need to walk N of it onto the gems to have good position, meaning that after we conquer Frankfurt they have 7 turns before we can attack Berlin. Or do you suggest going for Berlin first?
Maybe. Problem is this 6 archer/1 spear stack is all our useful military, and slow, and we are fairly defenseless in the homelands. Terrain around Berlin is rivers, so we would need to walk N of it onto the gems to have good position, meaning that after we conquer Frankfurt they have 7 turns before we can attack Berlin. Or do you suggest going for Berlin first?
ThinkTank
RL Addict
Oh, I see now that probably from the tile W of Berlin we do not attack across a river.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
lurker's comment:
Yeah, I was suggesting a beeline to Berlin. If your motive is to deprive Germany of iron, then Berlin is the most central to their empire; if the motive is to secure iron for yourselves, then why not take gems with it?
Since you will need to road to the iron wherever it may be, I would spare a worker now to begin a road across the desert to Berlin while you gather your stack. I wouldn't pay much heed to counter attacks - at Monarch, this early in the game, the most you'll see will be single archers; and if you position your scout on the mountains to the north of 'the Commune', you'll see them plenty early enough to react accordingly.
Yeah, I was suggesting a beeline to Berlin. If your motive is to deprive Germany of iron, then Berlin is the most central to their empire; if the motive is to secure iron for yourselves, then why not take gems with it?
Since you will need to road to the iron wherever it may be, I would spare a worker now to begin a road across the desert to Berlin while you gather your stack. I wouldn't pay much heed to counter attacks - at Monarch, this early in the game, the most you'll see will be single archers; and if you position your scout on the mountains to the north of 'the Commune', you'll see them plenty early enough to react accordingly.
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
I don't know, I'd go for sure and leave Berlin where it is, maybe pillage tiles with spear or something.
That means I'd grab Frankfurt - we can re-war after 20 turns and I have some nasty experience with cultural flips, we don't need that. Even if they hook up iron, in 20 turns they cannot build many swords and we'll have our own counter by then
CharcoalDioxide
Chieftain
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My dotmap:
The red one because it has much food in the radius. the same for the yellow one(not sure should it be moved 1SE). The pink one has 2 wheats and fresh water.
Spoiler :
The red one because it has much food in the radius. the same for the yellow one(not sure should it be moved 1SE). The pink one has 2 wheats and fresh water.
