Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[InsanelyApple]

I was just trying to get the thread back on topic of speculation by using that Anasazi quote. I don't really expect them.

 

[SnowKomodo]

I was just trying to get the thread back on topic of speculation by using that Anasazi quote. I don't really expect them.

There is always a burst of unrelated speculation before the revealing of a civ. The pendulum will swing back quickly enough don't worry about it

 

[sukritact]

Sooo... who could the new leader be?

Spoiler :

His robe looks like a hoodie with too many pockets.....

 

[cybrxkhan]

Sooo... who could the new leader be?

Way too many options here, assuming it's Morocco. I won't even bother listing them.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

And he is wearing a huge belt. The Iron Sheik?

 

[phaethon16]

That's the thing. The reason I feel so strongly is because Indonesia/Majapahit is the only current civ with claim to having the largest empire to a global region - Southeast Asia - who has never seen the light of day throughout the entire civ series.

I've said this before but the reason I thought they were in the cards is because in G&K the Dutch UA owes an overwhelming amount of its fame and fortune thanks to Indonesia. It's like a big middle finger to history by having point B without having point A, even for a video game

I completely agree that it's an insult to Indonesia, but isn't Hungary equally slighted? Two different varieties of Hussars and not their original user/commander? Come on! I know that it makes civ 6 less appealing if new civs aren't introduced then, but civ 6 should be appealing based on its content. Unique and unprecedented civs don't come out in vanilla, so you wouldn't buy it for that anyway. Additionally, if it is the new civs that appeal to people, then they don't want new editions, they want new civs which is what extra expansions provide. I feel very strongly about this because civ 3, 4, and thus far civ 5 has not delivered me what I want (in terms of civs) and I don't want to wait 4 years to get just a chance of their inclusion. If they aren't included in a 3rd expansion, then I give up. But, until then I'm sick of seeing expansions filled with the Portugals and Byzantines of the world; civs that will obviously be included because of precedence. The occasional new addition of Polynesia or Brazil is cool, but too rare and not enough for me.

 

[ImperialChaos]

It look's like he's wearing a safari outfit with a turban.

 

[DiogenesK9]

Ah I see what you meant. Yeah, facetious indeed

Fair enough on this little side conversation you guys are having...but, I think you may be short changing the strength of the Dutch culture in your conclusions. The fact that a group so small maintained independence and thrived in such a war-focused neighborhood of big guys, then managed to pwn the entire SE Asia region is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Someone else mentioned that the Pubelo could've been one of the later two and since they were removed, they just stuck the new civ in the Pubelo's old spot.

With what leader? With what language?

I'll go with that question. I could point out that there isn't even any evidence that the author had any knowledge of BNW. Brave New World isn't even mentioned. Seriously, what there's no evidence at all that it's a hint.

 

[Gucumatz]

Again, it really would be little problem in getting a non-religious leader for the Pueblo. It just would mean more work and a less interesting bio [Most interesting would be the ones from the 30s perhaps, with the interactions of the BIA and seizures of land from the military and the destruction of aqueducts]

But there is little evidence that Firaxis weren't lazy and just scrapped the idea of the Pueblo altogether

 

[VermelhoRed]

If those new mountain improvement graphics are as good as they said they were, I'm really hoping they manage to put the Puebloans in with another leader

 

[PhilBowles]

Fair enough on this little side conversation you guys are having...but, I think you may be short changing the strength of the Dutch culture in your conclusions. The fact that a group so small maintained independence and thrived in such a war-focused neighborhood of big guys, then managed to pwn the entire SE Asia region is nothing to sneeze at.

I don't think anyone's arguing the Dutch shouldn't be in Civ (they were probably the leading request for a European civ pre-G&K, and rightly so), but they're already in...

 

[SnowKomodo]

Fair enough on this little side conversation you guys are having...but, I think you may be short changing the strength of the Dutch culture in your conclusions. The fact that a group so small maintained independence and thrived in such a war-focused neighborhood of big guys, then managed to pwn the entire SE Asia region is nothing to sneeze at.

None of our conclusions ever short-changed the Dutch. We're just talking about how Indonesian influences gets short-changed and the Dutch UA is an example of this

 

[sanpavlos]

Anasazi aren't an option, since we know the first civ (alphabetically) in BNW is Assyria, and the first "gap" in the achievement list (i.e. the first hidden achievement) is after either Brazil

Could still be Anasazi (theoretically). Earlier, I advanced a scenario in which the devs might have set the achievement list prior to Pueblo's ouster, then simply replaced them where they stood in the list with a new civ out of alphabetical order. So, one of the two P-Z slots could actually be anybody in that case.

Italy/Morocco/Cherokee/Vietnam
Indonesia/Morocco/Argentina/Venice

It's a very specific scenario, perhaps not too likely, but it's certainly possible.

 

[DonStamos]

Wouldn't the achievements have been coded after the Civs were finalized, though? It doesn't make sense to code that stuff until you know what you're coding it for.

The Pueblo art and civ coding itself is different, though, since they'd need that to make up the Civ.

 

[sanpavlos]

I've never had any experience in marketing but my gut tells if they want to maximize profits that they would sell what is most popular in the now. I think it's more likely that they are just neglecting civs like Indonesia and Kongo than it is they are saying "We should hold them back for Civ 6"

That sounds right to me at this point in the releases. It's probably a factor with a first-round/vanilla release, though, when you start with fewer civs. If you know you're going to release a wave of DLC, you might hold back someone like Spain knowing there will be an appetite for it later. But once you're at 40+ civs I wouldn't think there's much point in holding out.

 

[sanpavlos]

civ 3, 4, and thus far civ 5 has not delivered me what I want (in terms of civs) and I don't want to wait 4 years to get just a chance of their inclusion. If they aren't included in a 3rd expansion, then I give up. But, until then I'm sick of seeing expansions filled with the Portugals and Byzantines of the world; civs that will obviously be included because of precedence. The occasional new addition of Polynesia or Brazil is cool, but too rare and not enough for me.

They've done a pretty good job in V of adding hitherto unseen civs: Siam, Songhai, Denmark, Polynesia, Austria, Huns, Sweden, Assyria, Brazil, Poland, Morocco (presumably), and maybe a couple more to come. Of course, that's partly to be expected since they've never had this many civs. I hope they keep adding!

Perhaps, even if this is the last of V, they will start VI with more civs than usual which would accelerate the process of getting us to the point of campaigning for our pet favorites... Argentina..... Minoa.........

 

[sanpavlos]

Wouldn't the achievements have been coded after the Civs were finalized, though? It doesn't make sense to code that stuff until you know what you're coding it for.

I fully expect you're right, which is why I underscore *theoretical*. But I don't know where they were in the process when(if) they dumped Pueblo, and stuff gets done in parallel. I've seen this exact thing happen on stuff I've worked on. Let's say the Pueblo get a back-end ID number that would just be a pain to change simply to put the achievements in alphabetical order, they might have bigger fish to fry.

Anyhoodle, not worth spinning scenarios, just seems plausible at the very least that the achievement evidence is not ironclad. (though I give it credence)

 

[wigwam]

Perhaps, even if this is the last of V, they will start VI with more civs than usual which would accelerate the process of getting us to the point of campaigning for our pet favorites... Argentina..... Minoa.........

Sorry to be pedantic, but just FYI, Minoa isn't the name of the Minoan civilization (it's the name of a few towns that were probably Minoan colonies, though). Nobody actually knows what the Minoans called themselves; the Greeks seem to have called them "True Cretans." If they were in a Civ game (which would be cool), they'd probably either be "Crete" or "The Minoans" (like "The Aztecs" and "The Celts" we have now).

 

[sanpavlos]

Sorry to be pedantic, but just FYI, Minoa isn't the name of the Minoan civilization (it's the name of a few towns that were probably Minoan colonies, though). Nobody actually knows what the Minoans called themselves; the Greeks seem to have called them "True Cretans." If they were in a Civ game (which would be cool), they'd probably either be "Crete" or "The Minoans" (like "The Aztecs" and "The Celts" we have now).

Point taken, and of course I just do it for handiness. Playing loose with the form to indicate Crete of the Minoan Civilization is rationalized because "Minoan" is a modern concoction. Still, there's no excuse for imprecision (though I'll probably do it again!).