Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[Eagle Pursuit]

I don't think it was, the great dictator posted the vietnam mumbo jumbo. I'm pretty sure azzazell who said the original.

If it is a blob civ with the other great basin civs like the Ute (yay) maybe that might mean other tribes leaders could lead, just throwing that out there (Chief Ouray, Chipeta, some other tribal leaders not from the Ute.)
I've heard a lot of talk about people how bad a choice sacagewea, but I've only heard two people give suggestions for alternatives. What leaders from the Shoshone could be used?

Chief Washakie is the go-to choice. He led his people in matters of diplomacy and war for decades. He's the only NA that the Americans named a frontier fort after, which indicates more than the usual amount of respect that we showed for our Native American "frenemies".

He also has a noble bearing and a sweet head dress that would make him a good alternative to Sitting Bull in the leader screen department.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washakie

 

[Pikachao]

I'm from Ukraine, and I have read about Shoshones in some novel about native americans. It was pretty good, but (shame on me) I can't remember the title of it. And I know Sacagawea thanks to Night at the Museum

if she's in, the only leader screen I can imagine for her would be from that movie: lewis and clark arguing over directions in the back, while sacagewea's all like "it's that way, you dumb guys." I'd like that.

although, after reading that wikipedia page, it really should be Washakie.

 

[Leugi]

Yeah... if the Shoshone truly are in then Washakie has to be the leader, and the only mention of Sacagawea should be in the UA...

Come to think of it, a Diplomatic-Exploration civ for BNW would be something nice too.

 

[wigwam]

Washakie sounds like a total badass. He'd be reason enough to pick the Shoshone over a better-known or more settled tribe.

 

[Lord Xavius]

Could diplomacy (World Congress, diplomat spies?) be the way they're connecting the Shoshone (assuming the rumor is true) to BNW mechanics?

Also, Washakie seems like an excellent leader. The guy died at the age of 102? Wow. If they do go with Sac over him I'll be eagerly awaiting a mod to fix that (again, assuming the Shoshone rumor/leak is true).

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think this link has a fair view of Washakie. I've seen several that sing his praises too highly as a leader who signed away his people's freedom. This one paints an accurate picture. He saw that the Shoshone would fight themselves into oblivion, so he made deals with the US government. A lot of the treaties were renegged, and his people lost much, but what they still hold does have great value due to his choice in location of their reservation.

http://www.yellowstonepark.com/2011/06/chief-washakie-a-voice-for-the-people/

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

@Wigwam

I dont think Sacagawea is really known outside USA. Anyway having several NA Native tribes is stupid IMO, when there would be so much better options from Africa and South East Asia.

I'm from England and have heard about the Shoshone...though my mum was a big fan of Western films and that tribe kept popping up in those, so perhaps that's where I know them from . Oh, and I'd heard of Sacagawea (not from Westerns though!) I would like to see some different Native American tribes personally; there are lots of different options from Africa and SE Asia too, I agree.

I'd be quite happy with the Shoshone as one of the currently unrevealed civs.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Washakie also looks close to a stereotypical native American in the Wikipedia picture, so at least he'd be instantly recognizable. Or, well, that is, the stereotypical native American look would be.

 

[Loopdy Doopdy]

Hello everybody, after reading these talks about the Shoshone I made a account so I could discuss with people (I'm shy so thats why I waited for a while).

Personally I think the only reason to pick the shoshone would be for Sacagawea (even though many of you pointed out that she isn't really a leader). I think if they really wanted a female plains Native american tribe leader from that area would be Chipeta of the Utes. She was important when it came to keeping peace between her tribe and the settlers, and she even met with President William Taft. So her special ability could be diplomacy oriented.

 

[Pikachao]

Hello everybody, after reading these talks about the Shoshone I made a account so I could discuss with people (I'm shy so thats why I waited for a while).

Personally I think the only reason to pick the shoshone would be for Sacagawea (even though many of you pointed out that she isn't really a leader). I think if they really wanted a female plains Native american tribe leader from that area would be Chipeta of the Utes. She was important when it came to keeping peace between her tribe and the settlers, and she even met with President William Taft. So her special ability could be diplomacy oriented.

I agree, if they wanted a female leader, it'd be the Utes (Chipeta's awesome). I've been thinking of ways that the original post might have misinterpreted the new civ as Shoshone, when really it's the Ute or some Great Basin blob civ (guessing it was them off of a Sacagewea UA might do that, maybe.).
I'd love the Ute being in in some way, but Washakia is a legitimate reason to consider the Shoshone as well.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks Chipeta would be a good leader (welcome, btw.)

 

[Merciorum]

Utes would work rather well, actually. Might fit the design for the Pueblo, and would give a female leader (+stays within the alphabet theory)...

 

[Louis XXIV]

Hello everybody, after reading these talks about the Shoshone I made a account so I could discuss with people (I'm shy so thats why I waited for a while).

Personally I think the only reason to pick the shoshone would be for Sacagawea (even though many of you pointed out that she isn't really a leader). I think if they really wanted a female plains Native american tribe leader from that area would be Chipeta of the Utes. She was important when it came to keeping peace between her tribe and the settlers, and she even met with President William Taft. So her special ability could be diplomacy oriented.

It's entirely possible they incorporated the Utes into the Shoshone.

 

[The Almighty dF]

Utes would work rather well, actually. Might fit the design for the Pueblo, and would give a female leader (+stays within the alphabet theory)...

Utes led by Chief Ouray. Just remember to heed his advice when he tells you not to move your units into the snowy mountains.

 

[Irkalla]

If washa is in the game, my money's on him looking like this

 

[mortynv]

As someone who is from the region that the Shoshone had a big influence (Northern Nevada) I would say that if you want a female leader another good choice could be Sarah Winnemucca. Yes she is a Paiute but that is for all purposes a branch of the Shoshone. She had big influences with both her native people and with the US government. Just throwing it out there for those that don't want Sacagawea as another option.

 

[sukritact]

If washa is in the game, my money's on him looking like this

I want him to look like that. He simply MUST look like that!

 

[Gucumatz]

We have found the symbol of one of the remaining two civs. Its a replacement for Belgium in Scramble for Africa, so it rules out it being another African civ. It is purple with a gold center, not sure what the symbol is if anyone can do a better job finding out via photoshop than I. It doesn't take up the whole circle and the symbol appears to be skinny:

I've not seen it before and think it's new. It included the first screenshot of the Scramble for Africa I've seen; it's low resolution though. I can just about make out Victoria for England (no surprises there; wonder if they'll use Elizabeth's screen for her?), but I'm not eagle-eyed enough to make out any of the other names at this time in the morning!

 

[cybrxkhan]

It could just be the Roman symbol.

We know that there's going to be a purple civ with white (the Wikivenitian thingy of fame) that's probably Venice, so I doubt we'd have two purple civs. Also, the name looks Italian from what I can tell - it looks like Giuseppi Garibaldi to me.

 

[Gucumatz]

I zoomed in as close as I could on the symbol via photoshop, its not the Roman symbol 100% sure on that. There is a roman symbol above in the same picture to compare with too

Edit: Cybr, talking about Leopold's symbol - not the Roman one

 

[The Almighty dF]

We have found the symbol of one of the remaining two civs. Its a replacement for Belgium in Scramble for Africa, so it rules out it being another African civ. It is purple with a gold center, not sure what the symbol is if anyone can do a better job finding out via photoshop than I. It doesn't take up the whole circle and the symbol appears to be skinny:

All I can make out is that it looks like a humanoid figure in gold on a purple symbol, the name starts with an L, and they are the 2nd. La____ia II? It's hard to make out. We're looking at the lower civ in the list, right? Because I see two that are kinda purple and vaguely gold or yellow.