Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
Playing the second part of my set now; if I never see another Worker again, it will be too soon......
Buce01: The Slavemaster
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Elephantium
Trampling the AI
How goes the fight, Buce?
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
Slowly, I'm afraid.
My daughter has been a bit under the weather, so I've not had any Civ time for a couple of days. I should have it done tomorrow, though.
My daughter has been a bit under the weather, so I've not had any Civ time for a couple of days. I should have it done tomorrow, though.
Redman
Emperor
lurker's comment: how is the progress? I'd like to know how this ends.
Redman
Redman
Phaedo
Emperor
It's going a bit slowly, but I'm sure we're all committed to finishing it.
Phaedo
Emperor
Buce is having some serious RL issues and won't be back for a while. I think someone should play his turns and he'll need to be skipped from here on in.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
I played last, and CivA has been MIA since Oct 10, so that puts you 'up', Phaedo.
Phaedo
Emperor
Fair enough. I'll get on it this week
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Any luck, Phaedo?
Phaedo
Emperor
The past two weeks have been a bear at work
. I'll get to it this week I promise
Phaedo
Emperor
After a cursory look I find this game rather demotivating. The game is won and it's just a matter of completing our goal as quickly as possible. As Tusker has shown, we can deal with any threat easily and quickly.
Our goal is to do the same-turn space shot and completion of the ship. With researching new techs at 4ish turns per, We can research everything before we do that so I figure that for maximum style points, we should start the process the same turn we research the last tech.
This is very similar Abra game where we did the MM experiment. Production is less important than research. We have all the cash we need and we can always get what we need if we run low by a turn of 0% research.
So in that line of thought, I started playing around with CAII. We can increase our research by 218bpt if we build courts in all cities but Athens, Thermo, Corinth, Delphi, Apollo 2, and cities with 90% corruption and a pop lower than 5. This would cost us an extra 126gpt. Funny how that works out eh? It works out to reducing our research time by about 1/3 (not including the beakerhead bonus that isn't calculated by CAII). So in this situation where we have a bunch of cash, we ought to be able to research our research by a turn per tech if we build Courts in corrupt cities. We ought to make the same cash on the completion turn as the gain from reduced corruption will pay for the maintenance.
I know that there are issues with CAII, but from my experience, this shouldn't be affected.
I'll get on the actual paying playing on Thursday and should be able to finish it by Friday. I assume that no one has a problem with trading away a tech or two (we are 3 tiers up) to break the competition.
Our goal is to do the same-turn space shot and completion of the ship. With researching new techs at 4ish turns per, We can research everything before we do that so I figure that for maximum style points, we should start the process the same turn we research the last tech.
This is very similar Abra game where we did the MM experiment. Production is less important than research. We have all the cash we need and we can always get what we need if we run low by a turn of 0% research.
So in that line of thought, I started playing around with CAII. We can increase our research by 218bpt if we build courts in all cities but Athens, Thermo, Corinth, Delphi, Apollo 2, and cities with 90% corruption and a pop lower than 5. This would cost us an extra 126gpt. Funny how that works out eh? It works out to reducing our research time by about 1/3 (not including the beakerhead bonus that isn't calculated by CAII). So in this situation where we have a bunch of cash, we ought to be able to research our research by a turn per tech if we build Courts in corrupt cities. We ought to make the same cash on the completion turn as the gain from reduced corruption will pay for the maintenance.
I know that there are issues with CAII, but from my experience, this shouldn't be affected.
I'll get on the actual paying playing on Thursday and should be able to finish it by Friday. I assume that no one has a problem with trading away a tech or two (we are 3 tiers up) to break the competition.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
I'm sure Tusker trusts your judgement as much as I do, so do as you think best. 
It will be a relief just to get underway again.
It will be a relief just to get underway again.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
I'm sure Tusker trusts your judgement as much as I do, so do as you think best.
Yep, I do. I think your plan is sound, Phaedo.
Phaedo
Emperor
Actually, in light of morning I think I was wrong about the value of courts in corrupt cities but the exercise was worth it to get back into the swing of the game without making silly mistakes like I did in Kahn. I'll be done by the weekend
Phaedo
Emperor
I'm still on it. I just finished a huge MMing exercise that got us down to 10% on the turn before Lasers (from 40% before the exercise). I should have a save posted tomorrow.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
Excellent, we might even have this done for Xmas.
Good work, Phaedo.
Good work, Phaedo.
Phaedo
Emperor
I did the MM challenge at turn 5. After playing turn 6 today I had a bit of an epiphany. I'm quite confident that I should be able to get our research down to 2-turn techs by the end of my set.
However, as I was considering our goal to complete the ship the same turn as Apollo, I think we may have screwed ourselves. We need 10 pre-builds to get the components the same turn as Apollo. We have Strat Missles, Longevity, Cancer, Internet, an army and Manhattan if we can't use ICBMs. I count 6 and we're 4 short. Can we use ICBMs as a pre-build? I sort of need to know now.
My strategy won't change much if we can or can't but I do need to know the goal. My plan is to irrigate all but 14 cities, rush hospitals and put all the extra pop into specialists. I'm sure we can get down to 3-turn research on my set and probably 2-turn research on the next turn. That would give us the win well within two sets. If we can't use ICBMs, we can have Apollo in 6 turns (possibly less with some MMing), and the Engine and Exterior completed in the same time. We could have the other 300+ components in 4 turns and win next set.
However, as I was considering our goal to complete the ship the same turn as Apollo, I think we may have screwed ourselves. We need 10 pre-builds to get the components the same turn as Apollo. We have Strat Missles, Longevity, Cancer, Internet, an army and Manhattan if we can't use ICBMs. I count 6 and we're 4 short. Can we use ICBMs as a pre-build? I sort of need to know now.
My strategy won't change much if we can or can't but I do need to know the goal. My plan is to irrigate all but 14 cities, rush hospitals and put all the extra pop into specialists. I'm sure we can get down to 3-turn research on my set and probably 2-turn research on the next turn. That would give us the win well within two sets. If we can't use ICBMs, we can have Apollo in 6 turns (possibly less with some MMing), and the Engine and Exterior completed in the same time. We could have the other 300+ components in 4 turns and win next set.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
Unfortunately research is capped at 4 turns, so you won't get it below that however many beakers you can generate.
I have no problem with using ICBM's as a prebuild.
I have no problem with using ICBM's as a prebuild.
Phaedo
Emperor
Unfortunately research is capped at 4 turns, so you won't get it below that however many beakers you can generate.
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Sou ka... so much for my last hour or so of MMing...
So we can use ICBMs for pre-builds for small wonders? If so, I'll get on Manhattan ASAP. We should have been on it ages ago.
Great lesson to learn
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
So we can use ICBMs for pre-builds for small wonders? If so, I'll get on Manhattan ASAP. We should have been on it ages ago.
Great lesson to learn
IIRC, we did it in 'Rage'.
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