Bug Reports and Technical Issues

I understand you but I think the less is more here. Represent African Slave trade microscopically with actual Slave unit and Classical Period Slavery macroscopically with the vanila Slavery civic allowing to build buildings with whip and adding to it special bonuses for slave related improvements such as mines, quarries and plantations.

See, the easiest suggestion would be to adopt very thoroughly implemented slave feature in RFC-CW. Slaves there act as mini-GE, mini-GM, slow worker, can be settled to become house slaves, etc. But RFC-CW focuses on specific time period and specific map segment. For a global mod and 5000 years timeframe civic works better than slave unit. Maybe its less exiting but it does represent macroscopic nature of global mod fairly adequately! No need to run into so many potential complications for very dubious gains -- Slavery Civic is much more elegant but still very strong and different mechanic: the only time one can use infamous whip and get those annoying slave revolts. Vanila Slavery mechanics is near perfect, please leave it as is.

 

Slavery had many economic disadvantages and we can somehow simulate them, so that human player has to chose between whip and economy.

Also I have a question about Caste System. In some very real sense it is more of a Religious civic then Labor. And while Classes and Slavery was present in almost every ancient society across the globe -- only in India did Caste System develop to such a crystallized form still present even today. Don't you want to discourage other civs fro adopting it? Caste System is a candidate for the very first civic (in the history of DoC) which can depend on a particular religion. Meaning this civic provides no benefits under any religion except for the cities with Hinduism. Potentially this concept of particular religion enhancing or negating the effects of the particular civic can provide interesting solutions. For example Monasticism may provide no benefits under Islam. Or Zoroastrianism enhancing Monarchy somehow and so on...

 

In my modmod Slavery slows cottage growth and has a -10% research penalty attached to it. How's that?

 

So I have an idea which I think does exactly what you want. Instead of "can enslave the population" civs under Slavery civic must be able to enslave defeated barbarian units sometimes. So we can have Despotism where one can sacrifice population like China did during the construction of Great Wall but also Ancient Slave unit under Slavery. This Ancient Slave will be different from African Slave and will have only 2 abilities: in your cities it can be used for 20 hummers like mini GE, in foreign civs with Open Borders it can be used like mini GM for 40 gold coins. Very often killing barbarians can be very unrewarding experience -- you risk your units, which cannot be promoted after certain threshold. But now, under Slavery, in 25% cases defeated Barbarian Archer can be used as a slave and shipped to capital to harry a wonder, for example. Or sold for cash. Hunting Barbarians could be a fun way to achieve your goals. But if Barbarians capture your Slave it turns back to original Barbarian unit, full of vengeance! And switching from Slavery turns all the Ancient Slaves into Workers.

 

Selling slaves in foreign cities should only be possible if that civ is running slavery as well.

 

That's why Enslave and African Slaves will NOT work under Slavery, but under different (later days) civic.

 

Just like we have it now, via Diplo screen! For African slaves only. We should ban Sub African civs from producing regular (ancient) slaves, otherwise things will quickly get messy...

 

Hi, when I install the mod (just the mod, not the other modules - I had some problems when I tried that, specifically with the Varietas Delectat). Everything seems to go fine during the installation. I get to the finish screen - if I have the launch button ticked, it then comes up with the first message. If I try and click on the icon, the second message comes up.

The Beyond the Sword exe IS present, and normal beyond the sword loads fine, as does RFC Marathon. I am using the steam version. What can I do to fix the problem? Thanks in advance - this looks like a great mod.

 

Yes that's true, but it feels like a new "Sub-Saharan" UP on top of the existing mechanic. For some reason I always long for systematic approach to all the civilizations, instead of creating rules with exceptions and then exceptions from exceptions ...

 

Maybe you should only be able to buy slaves from civs that are at least one era behind you?

 

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