True, that makes more sense. I have created a custom DLL so that the Catholic influence is shown in the tile tooltip, just replace yours with it. If you can figure out the turn where it first appears in South America, send me the turn before that.
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Enyavar
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Am I looking for the first sign of any influence in SA, or the first in roughly the Inca/Aztek regions?
I find very early influence in Brazil. Right in the turn that Catholicism is founded, and in Suriname (49°22 W/5°29 N).
The attached savegame is a close reproduction to what went down in my game. If you get the same random numbers like I do (I don't disable the RNG, but I am not 100% sure whether the RNG seed gets saved too), Catholicism is about to be founded right when you click for the next turn, and Catholic influence in Suriname jumps from 0 to 1 at exactly that same time. Within the next few dozen turns, land in Columbia and Brazil is all converting from 0 to 1 as well, while the greater Peru region is, at first, not yet following that trend.
Perhaps it has something to do with proximity? The Suriname spot is suspiciusly almost exactly 14 tiles SE of Lisboa, although I doubt it has something to do with it.
This here was my older post about Catholicism spreading to the Maya extremely early, in a 1.15 game. I could still dig out all the French savegames, but not test them unless I convert back to the old version. At that time I was doing a similar stunt like I was attempting now, only with Roman->France instead of Roman->Portugal, and the Catholic shrine just happened to be in Nîmes (Marseilles).
Olympian-Roman Lisbon (Felicitas Julia) was turning into Orthodoxy just the right moment. So that there were more orthodox cities in non-orthodox civs than there were in (christian) Egypt. Which was the base for Catholicism. It was a neat, lucky coincidence.
Portugal is the only non-Polynese nation that can realistically build the Moai Statues. Well, I mean, the Romans can build them before they switch to Christianity. Which is what I did here, with the clear intent of switching to Portugal. You might say it is cheating, although I'm doing it to offset the Emperor difficulty level: On that diff level, my starting civ will be abysmally bad in every respect, but they CAN lay the foundation for the actual playing civ that I'm going to switch to. I think of it as a decent starting boost that brings my player-civ to a competing level.
With the Azores-Moai statues and Lisboa as the shrine city... okay, it's a really unfair boost, alright. My Portugal game is cornering the UHVs really early.
Interesting. The first city to adopt Catholicism in my tests was Tiwanaku, which then accelerated the spread in that region. From your observations, it sounds like the Catholic holy city spreads its influence to America even though it has no knowledge or connection to the continent. Furthermore, the influence spread range seems surprisingly large. At the moment, I am not entirely sure what the intended values here are, and if there is any further requirement besides range from the holy city that limit religion spread. It's entirely possible that I forgot to account for that but the spread should not simply extend to separate continents that haven't even been discovered yet. I guess if that's the problem it usually doesn't show up because the holy city tends to be further east than Lisbon.
There already is a dedicated system for spreading religions overseas that should only kick in once an area is discovered and accessible via trade/diplomatic connections, so the base spread system should not reach overseas at all in my view. I'll experiment a bit with rule changes starting from the save you posted.
There already is a dedicated system for spreading religions overseas that should only kick in once an area is discovered and accessible via trade/diplomatic connections, so the base spread system should not reach overseas at all in my view. I'll experiment a bit with rule changes starting from the save you posted.
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Not a bug but a notion, that with the Mandugai being similar to a Pistolier. The Legion of Rome is the same as a heavy swordsman 8 att 10% city attack, now after the changes some time back. Doesn't make much sense it upgrades to a unit that is in anything the same does it, but has a higher cost.
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Which is why you never upgrade your legions until the intention of railroad, obviously: They are a military unit that will defend your cities and also build your roads for you.
But I admit, my legions usually perish in the middle ages, at some point.
But I admit, my legions usually perish in the middle ages, at some point.
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Although I have captured Constantinople thus making it my Capital,
Konya and Trabizon flipping next turn makes my Capital automatically change to Konya.
Also, Pheonician core change is not depicted in the Stability Map (the image file in the Maps folder).
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Not sure if a bug or intended.
The food received from Harbour Opera (Sydney Opera) is not taken into account when calculating the extra food from the Supermarket. (See screenshot)
I do have a savegame (from an older git), but a similar situation can easily be recreated using the WB.
And another strange Aqueduct path.
The food received from Harbour Opera (Sydney Opera) is not taken into account when calculating the extra food from the Supermarket. (See screenshot)
I do have a savegame (from an older git), but a similar situation can easily be recreated using the WB.
And another strange Aqueduct path.
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Playing as Rome and damn you can get early advanced, Turkey pops up and claim Constantinople which is normal however they also claim Athens... WHY? They didn't the previous Rome game and now they do 
Also notice the little hindi religion in Jerusalem :O
Also notice the little hindi religion in Jerusalem :O
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Enyavar
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Not a bug, Athens is in their flip zone. It'd a bug when it doesn't flip (nowadays).Playing as Rome and damn you can get early advanced, Turkey pops up and claim Constantinople which is normal however they also claim Athens... WHY? They didn't the previous Rome game and now they do
Also notice the little hindi religion in Jerusalem :O
Though I don't quite get why this would be intended. Probably because Turkish AI doesn't see Athens as a good goal, or they'd expend way too many troops for a city that has little historical value in the late middle ages.
Those flipzones are kinda sketchy. Cause if you look at the maps it isn't in the flipzone, Greece, also some play through the claim it and others they do not, maybe it is related to being Solid? I am stable now not solid like last time. Same with Byzantium sometimes they get neutral/barb cities in Egypt and another turn they don't get them. Is there a secondary hidden flipzone? Also in this game Persian Babylon didn't flip to the Arabs, so there must be a factor.
I'll declare war and take the cities back later on, just hope he doesn't get like last times, that some of my troops switch sides, that was a weird bug. He got independence troops when at war from me :s
I'll declare war and take the cities back later on, just hope he doesn't get like last times, that some of my troops switch sides, that was a weird bug. He got independence troops when at war from me :s
