Bully Pays the Price When Victim Fights Back

[Aegis]

Yeah, I know that was the point, but my point was that it's your pyrrhic victory, not his! You "win", in the sense that you might not get bullied again, but you've also got your face kicked in.

How is this scenario worse than perpetually having your face being kicked in because you’re too big of a pansy to put up any resistance?

 

[Mise]

I never said it was worse than that. You need to pay attention to what's being said to you, otherwise you won't get anywhere in life. What I said is that, of all the options you have for getting rid of a bully, getting your face kicked in is easily the most ******** one to take, and recommending getting your face kicked in as a solution to bullying is even more ********.

 

[Aegis]

I never said it was worse than that.

Then why make a fuss over it being a phyrric victory? Putting up resistance can lead to a single instance of bullying, while being passive guarantees repeated bullying. Phyrric victory or not, the outcome for that one particular face-pounding will be the same. You might as well put up a fight to stop future bullying.

You need to pay attention to what's being said to you, otherwise you won't get anywhere in life. What I said is that, of all the options you have for getting rid of a bully, getting your face kicked in is easily the most ******** one to take, and recommending getting your face kicked in as a solution to bullying is even more ********.

What's "********" is your belief that if you are completely passive that you still won't have your face kicked in. Some people just like to hurt others for the sake of inflicting pain. Your being passive likely isn't going to change getting your ass beat.

 

[RedRalph]

I never said it was worse than that. You need to pay attention to what's being said to you, otherwise you won't get anywhere in life. What I said is that, of all the options you have for getting rid of a bully, getting your face kicked in is easily the most ******** one to take, and recommending getting your face kicked in as a solution to bullying is even more ********.

Honestly, that isn't always true. Bullies often don't pick on people who fight back, even if they don't beat the bully.

 

[Mise]

Honestly, that isn't always true. Bullies often don't pick on people who fight back, even if they don't beat the bully.

And yet, given the other, less painful and much easier options for dealing with bullies, getting your face kicked in is absolutely the most ******** suggestion for someone who wants to get rid of their bully. It's like telling a thirsty person to drink their own piss. Even if it solves the problem 100% of the time, it's a really freaking dumb suggestion. As an absolute last resort after every other possible option has been exhausted? Yeah, fine, give it a go if you feel that desperate. But you probably wouldn't want to recommend it to your friends, lest they think you a ******** lunatic.

Then why make a fuss over it being a phyrric victory? Putting up resistance can lead to a single instance of bullying, while being passive guarantees repeated bullying. Phyrric victory or not, the outcome for that one particular face-pounding will be the same. You might as well put up a fight to stop future bullying.



What's "********" is your belief that if you are completely passive that you still won't have your face kicked in. Some people just like to hurt others for the sake of inflicting pain. Your being passive likely isn't going to change getting your ass beat.

Again, completely irrelevant to anything I said. Thanks for confirming that you actually don't read other people's posts.

 

[Aegis]

Again, completely irrelevant to anything I said. Thanks for confirming that you actually don't read other people's posts.

It's completely relevant:

And yet, given the other, less painful and much easier options for dealing with bullies, getting your face kicked in is absolutely the most ******** suggestion for someone who wants to get rid of their bully.

You are insisting that you somehow have a choice in whether or not your face is going to be kicked in. In most instances you don't have a choice. It's going to happen, whether you want it to, or not. Being passive is not going to stop it. Running to a teacher is not going to stop it. Saying "HERPDERPDON'TPUNCHMEBRO" is not going to stop it. If a bully is determined to paste you into the ground, you might as well put up some resistance.

 

[Mise]

Nope, sorry, completely irrelevant. I never once wrote "being passive is going to stop it". You talk as if there is only one way of dealing with bullies; perhaps you weren't imaginative or intelligent enough to think of other ways of dealing with bullies, I don't know, but please, don't act as if your failures are universal truths.

 

[Aegis]

Nope, sorry, completely irrelevant. I never once wrote "being passive is going to stop it". You talk as if there is only one way of dealing with bullies; perhaps you weren't imaginative or intelligent enough to think of other ways of dealing with bullies, I don't know, but please, don't act as if your failures are universal truths.

No...

What I'm saying is that if your face is going to get pounded anyways you might as well fight back on the off-chance that you deter future bullying.

You are living in a fantasy world where a bully is punching you in the face and these other options somehow manifest themselves and magically stop the bully in the act. Sorry, but reality does not work that way.

 

[Aegis]

Doublepost.

 

[Mise]

"In the act"...? You can't just pretend that I've said things that I haven't said. Sorry, but reading does not work that way.

 

[Aegis]

"In the act"...? You can't just pretend that I've said things that I haven't said. Sorry, but reading does not work that way.

I apologize. I did not realize that these "popular friends" of yours were chained to your hip 24/7.

[Edit:] You do realize that bullying begins with an initial confrontation, right?

 

[Mise]

You do realise that bullies target social outcasts, right? Hygro said it better than I can on the last page; read his posts if you won't read mine.

Did you ever think of avoiding confrontations? And yeah, your friends do tend to be with you quite a lot when you're in school.

 

[bhsup]

You guys, Mise's view is totally valid. Now the kid in the OP who did in the bully, while it may not have been the ideal solution, was totally within his rights and I'm never going to question someone who defends themselves. However, that really isn't always a viable option and it is really the community's responsibility (schools, parents, etc) to ensure that it doesn't happen to begin with. In Mise's case, his community failed him miserably and you can't really fault him for not wanting to get beaten bloody.

I am not saying I know what the answer was to Mise's situation, but it isn't always "walk into the fist."

 

[Aegis]

You do realise that bullies target social outcasts, right? Hygro said it better than I can on the last page; read his posts if you won't read mine.

And your solution for social outcasts is to befriend the popular kids. Why didn't they think of doing that sooner?? My gosh, it's so easy! I'm sure the popular kids are just jumping up and down in excitement with the prospect of making friends with the social outcasts, thereby no longer making them social outcasts!

Just because I think that your solution is unrealistic and ineffective does not mean that I have not read your posts. Hygro was echoing sentiments that I made back on page three.

Did you ever think of avoiding confrontations?

Of course you avoid confrontation when you can. That goes without saying. That, however, is not always an option. When finally cornered your options are drastically reduced.

And yeah, your friends do tend to be with you quite a lot when you're in school.

Yet children who have friends at school still wind up cornered by bullies on a daily basis.

You guys, Mise's view is totally valid.

And totally based upon his one-time experience that is not demonstrative of traditional bullying. His solution, when applied to dealing with a chronic bullying problem, is rooted in the same reality where I'm a power ranger kicking everyone’s ass while bowflexing.

 

[Mise]

Thank you V! Although actually the teachers did try to help by giving him detention, which worked for a bit. This is basically my point: different people's situations are different, and the best solution for one person might not be the best solution for everybody. Getting into a fight is basically the last resort.

I mean, look at Aegis. He tried ask teachers for help, but that didn't work. Maybe he tried avoiding confrontation altogether, but that didn't work. Perhaps he tried having friends, but that didn't work either. Being the intelligent, imaginative person that he is, he probably tried all manner of options, but failed. So, as a last resort, he decided to fight back, which finally worked. Hurray! Fighting back is clearly the only thing that could possibly prevent bullying, claims the world's smallest bullying expert.

But notice that? As a last resort, after trying all those other things that might have worked as well. Bullying isn't that uncommon - lots of kids get bullied, but none of them suffer forever. All of those victims' situations were different, so trying to tell someone that fighting back is literally the only solution to bullying is just plain ********. Those other solutions might not have worked for you, but don't pretend that they can't work for other people - that's arrogant. Telling people to fight back and potentially make the situation even more serious is pretty freaking dangerous, too.

Unless you are a tiny power ranger, that is.

 

[Aegis]

@Mise: Most effective solution =\= only solution.

For someone who enjoys harping about other people not reading his posts, you sure suck at reading mine.

[Edit:] I'm hardly the only person in the thread recommending fighting back, either. The majority of people have agreed.

 

[Mise]

Except you have said repeatedly that fighting back is the only way to stop a bully, and that other solutions do not work... You said that telling a teacher does not work. You said that making larger/popular friends does not work. You said that avoiding confrontation does not work. You said, right at the start of the thread, that the only way to stop being bullied is to fight back. That's what you've been saying throughout the thread.

And totally based upon his one-time experience

How many times have you been bullied? Doesn't look like fighting back did much good if you were bullied repeatedly.

 

[GhostWriter16]

You guys, Mise's view is totally valid. Now the kid in the OP who did in the bully, while it may not have been the ideal solution, was totally within his rights and I'm never going to question someone who defends themselves. However, that really isn't always a viable option and it is really the community's responsibility (schools, parents, etc) to ensure that it doesn't happen to begin with. In Mise's case, his community failed him miserably and you can't really fault him for not wanting to get beaten bloody.

I am not saying I know what the answer was to Mise's situation, but it isn't always "walk into the fist."

I agree, and I couldn't have said it better.

 

[MeteorPunch]

New info is saying that the "bully" is less injured, which is good.

After the fight, it appeared the bully was seriously injured. After being smashed onto the concrete, he struggled to walk before the camera turned off. But, according to the school, “the only injury sustained was a grazed knee.”

http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/cas...nfo-about-casey-heynes-and-his-bully-emerges/


Also, @ the "bully" being 12. A 15 year old that size is allowing anything that happened from that little kid - there are dozens of less violent ways to end that situation, but he took it too far.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, @ the "bully" being 12. A 15 year old that size is allowing anything that happened from that little kid - there are dozens of less violent ways to end that situation, but he took it too far.

I disagree. The arrogant little bleep who punched him in the face is the one who took it too far. Could Casey have just walked away? Well from what I'm reading, that seems to have been his solution for years, but that has not ended his torment or stopped this particular incident from happening.

You know what might stop further incidents from happening? If that little jerk went home with a bloody nose and a busted lip, so everyone could see how much of a tough guy he really was, and what happens when you hit people for no good reason.

That would be measured and appropriate, and it would still be more than what happened here.