C2C - Civics Discussion Thread
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I don't think anyone else involved with C2C development is particularly familiar with my modmod, I never get any feedback on it. ^^
The answer is simple, if it's not on that chart, then it is not in my modmod.
Not all in the chart is in my modmod either, the information branch is missing and I'm not sure it's even a good idea to begin with..
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
That is because it is not an integrated mod but a whole different subset mod. It is harder to play yours and work on C2C
I have been trying out CivPlayer8's & SquidImp's Civics. Now I am trying out the new core C2C ones.
Dr. Elephant
Warlord
Hello everyone, i'm here for asking an quick question.
I have, recently, buy the Steam version of the game and installed C2C. Until that point, all was good.
But when I load an saved game (that I have saved from my old laptop before it died), at some point I can't view the religion that the AI have adopted showed next to their civilization name.
I sayed to myself: «No problem, all I have to do is to download the mod again and replace it in the right place»....But I still receiving message that I don't have the administrator right (which was wrong, since I have my new laptop, since a week) to erase it from the mod folder located in Steam. Which was weird, since I am being able to place it in the folder, in the first place. So, anyone know what I am supposed to do for being able to replace it?
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I have, recently, buy the Steam version of the game and installed C2C. Until that point, all was good.
But when I load an saved game (that I have saved from my old laptop before it died), at some point I can't view the religion that the AI have adopted showed next to their civilization name.
I sayed to myself: «No problem, all I have to do is to download the mod again and replace it in the right place»....But I still receiving message that I don't have the administrator right (which was wrong, since I have my new laptop, since a week) to erase it from the mod folder located in Steam. Which was weird, since I am being able to place it in the folder, in the first place. So, anyone know what I am supposed to do for being able to replace it?
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JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Did you right click the BtS Short cut and then from the pop up select Run as Administrator? And then also do the same thing for the BtS.exe?
And how old was this save game? What version of C2C was it started from?
And how old was this save game? What version of C2C was it started from?
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Unfortunate circumstances can do this. I just don't have the time for anything outside of testing the savegames and the current SVN for balances issues. And as to the Topic of Civics, I will tweak a Civic of the current set when I find a problem with balance.
A whole new Civic set would create a while new round of balance issues. It is what it is, a never ending fight against the juggling act that is C2C.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I do want to try it someday, hopefully soon, Toffer but as others have said, just trying to find time to playtest the core when I'm working on modding is challenging. When I DO playtest I feel like I'm wasting valuable modding time these days. Still, I often think on how much you must want some of us to test and give feedback and you deserve that tremendously. Besides, it's probably pretty damn good too. It's just difficult to find any time these days!
At any rate, you should probably wait until I update it for latest SVN, it is getting terribly outdated.
I won't get to update it before you change how building expansions are defined in XML like we talked about around a month++ ago.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
still on the short todo list of course. I'm getting closer though.
Dr. Elephant
Warlord
Badly this option was not available, for the steam version of the game.
My savegame was dated from the 18 march, from the version 37 of the mod.
Also, I have noticed that the steam version doesn't have animated icons for the units in the civilopedia, this was not an big deal as they moves in the map. So maybe the fact that the religion that the AI have adopted not showed near their name, was tied to the version of the game.
The really problem as I am able to put the mod in the right folder, but not able to put it out (which make no sense at all). Especially, since the next version was in work.
Here my old savegame, the first file, and my new saves, from yesterday (few turns after my old save (after the recalculation)), if that could help in any case:
Also a screenshot for prove my point (the majority of the AI are converted to shamanism, but that are not showed)
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So set the beyondthesword.exe to run as administrator, all the steam shortcut does is run that exe.
The only difference between steam version and other versions is that steam removed some of the multiplayer options in the main menu when the gamespy servers was decommisioned.
You can revert to original v3.19 BTS by opting in to the steam beta version of BTS which is not really a beta as it is the original final version of the game.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I have finally reached the late Renaissance and have problems with the Religion Civics available.
Secular this should be split into two
To be honest I think this Civic may need to be split into two or more but that is based on my work on Evolving Religions.
Secular this should be split into two
- Separation of State and Church - allows State Religion, small boost to social cohesion from SR buildings only
- Secular - no State Religion only
We have 4 (at least) atheist religions in game at the moment
- Buddhist
- Confucian
- Shinto
- Tao
To be honest I think this Civic may need to be split into two or more but that is based on my work on Evolving Religions.
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Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
The US of A has Separation of State and Church but it also has a State Religion ie Christianity. You can't be President if you aren't oneSeparation of State and Church = No state religion = secular...
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. Of course it doesn't matter which Sect you are but then we don't have Sects in game yet.Funny, I've never considered the US as a proper secular state.
If you must belong to a specific religion to be the head of state then the separation of state and religion is not 100%.
But in civ terms I would say the US has the secular civic as the content of the constitution is not tied to bible scriptures at all, and because no religion hold any privileged political power.
We can't have two secular civics where the only difference between them is one silly law that states that the head of state must belong to a specific religion.
Where would it stop, we would need a billion civics to cover all the slight variances of civics that may exist.
If you must belong to a specific religion to be the head of state then the separation of state and religion is not 100%.
But in civ terms I would say the US has the secular civic as the content of the constitution is not tied to bible scriptures at all, and because no religion hold any privileged political power.
We can't have two secular civics where the only difference between them is one silly law that states that the head of state must belong to a specific religion.
Where would it stop, we would need a billion civics to cover all the slight variances of civics that may exist.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Really? DH some of the weird stuff you come up with over the USA is so wrong and so funny too.The US of A has Separation of State and Church but it also has a State Religion ie Christianity. You can't be President if you aren't one
Maybe you didn't know that the last President (Obama) is a Muslim. And Trump is not anywhere near being a religious person.
Is Christianity the largest religion in the nation? Yes it is. So the odds are that good that any President will say that they are Christian. But to say "You can't be President if you aren't one" is just plain wrong. Obama put that myth to bed during his 8 years in the White House.
@Toffer,
Not true. The whole Constitution Is based on the Bible scriptures. But Modern day Liberals all pitch a fit if you remind them about it. They have a new term they like to call the Constitution, A "Living Document" so that they can bend whatever part they don't like to their world view. Not what the Founding fathers put down as the Nation's intended foundation.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
There is actually no specific law whatsoever in the United States that requires that the President must be Christian. So you could be Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, etc.. However the President does swear the Oath of Office with their hand on the Bible (but even still you could be a Muslim while doing that). So no, its more like the fact that we have a high Christian population and that those Christians tend to prefer to elect people with the same beliefs as them (again nothing legally requiring that they must only elect a Christian).
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I read your Constitution awhile back and I can't remember there being anything about the Bible or Christianity in it at all. I will need to hunt it out and look at it again.
Obama is a Christian. Lincoln and Jefferson were not.
Obama is a Christian. Lincoln and Jefferson were not.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
Except you can in fact amend the Constitution.
So it is in fact a "Living Document". Its just politically impossible to due in or current political climate. You could never get 2/3 of Congress to agree on anything let alone 3/4 of all of the state legislatures.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I strongly object that you can consider Christianity to be our state religion. It is nothing more than a majority voting base that supports this ongoing appearance of it being one, though we do act much like it is. It almost begs for a free religion civic that allows you to pick a state religion though.The US of A has Separation of State and Church but it also has a State Religion ie Christianity. You can't be President if you aren't one
I'm also not only not aware of any RULE that says the President must be Christian, I'm almost certain there is a rule that we cannot HAVE such a rule. It is more that the majority of the US is Christian so it's tough for the President to not be. One reason Bernie didn't do quite as well as he should've was an undercurrent of anti-semitism - he would be the first Jewish President if elected. (That said, I don't believe it's at all the reason he lost the primary, just that it certainly sways some voters, just as being Female swayed a lot of voters to support Hillary, and being Male caused a lot of voters to then support Trump. Voters are swayed by these things though they'd never admit it - they have preferences. I believe Identity politics is much less influencing to the majority of voters than some would argue - MUCH more important should be policy opinions of the candidate.)
I've read he had old ties to some members of the Muslim faith but he declares himself Christian and considers himself in a flock under a Pastor that nearly lost him the election by saying publicly that ISIS is America's chickens come home to roost. Personally I think this story is as much propagandic BS as calling him non-native born, a part of a host of lies told and retold by his political enemies to defame him. And I say this in full knowledge that he was not the hero much of the nation believes him to be.
He also claims Christianity. But yeah... to think he really is a Christian in anything but a hollow embracing to pacify his following is ludicrous.
This is actually a Masonic custom fyi. I've heard the rumor that the Masonic Bible is just a little different but whether the President swears on a King James or otherwise I'm not sure.
Perhaps subtly and with inside references all over the place, sure, but not overtly so. It specifically instructs church and state to be divided as well and also declares the US a haven for all religions. Many founding fathers were escaping the violence over Protestantism VS Catholicism and they were not really considering the wider view of many faiths they had never encountered and how it could become possible for two religions to be nearly impossible to coexist with one another. In their worldview, it was manageable by demanding peace and mutual respect exist between faiths. So far it's MOSTLY worked as a social experiment but sometimes it gets a little unstable. (I'm not saying this to you but to those who don't understand our system as well,)
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