C2C: Promotions

[DRJ]

@ls612 and Thunderbrd

Alas! Beauty is your work
vectorious builds with marshmallow tags
and never
you can`t get no
(innovative) satisfaction

O striving lovers (of civ)
ones resolute and caring kiss of code:
the others lordly glowing wroth?

Cordially pushing on
and turn, turn, turn be played upon their
finest sparkling dance of thoughts

Ye workers of Icksemel* -
are you experienced?
Or
have you ever been experienced before?

They have...

huge orchestra sets in

Team, youre gonna carry that weight
carry that weight
a long time...




*

Spoiler :

german 'pronunciation for xml^^

for some soundtrack of this little poem a very nice and fitting tune i once wondered to be the first to upload it to youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6c3VKakOGo (really, give it a try it helps with creativity at least the green one I can asure you that)

 

[ls612]

@TB:

Have you added a generic build speed modifier tag? If not please let me do that.

 

[Thunderbrd]

No I haven't done that one. Still, even with that though, make sure to follow the pattern the coding changes I've made will show you. I'm really hoping I can get that update pushed today.

 

[ls612]

No I haven't done that one. Still, even with that though, make sure to follow the pattern the coding changes I've made will show you. I'm really hoping I can get that update pushed today.

Cool, I look forward to seeing what has changed. If you want to retool my promotions XML to use the new naming feel free, it is only a name really and if I'm understanding correctly the function will remain the same. If you don't update today I'll go ahead and make the new tags this week.

 

[charlesb96]

what is the program you use to create the button/icons for the promotions? Where can I get it, so I can make my own icons for promotions I might come up with?

 

[Hydromancerx]

@charlesb96

I use Photoshop to draw it and DXTBmp to add the alpha layer and turn it into a dds.

 

[Yudishtira]

Alas! Beauty is your work
vectorious builds with marshmallow tags
and never
you can`t get no
(innovative) satisfaction

O striving lovers (of civ)
ones resolute and caring kiss of code:
the others lordly glowing wroth?

Cordially pushing on
and turn, turn, turn be played upon their
finest sparkling dance of thoughts

Ye workers of Icksemel* -
are you experienced?
Or
have you ever been experienced before?

(Offtopic but) I know poetry, and that's some nice poetry dude!

 

[Thunderbrd]

It's good poetry and some interesting wording. I can read a number of deep messages in there... I'm hoping not all were intended

 

[DRJ]

It's good poetry and some interesting wording. I can read a number of deep messages in there... I'm hoping I'm not all were intended

Hehe, sure not

No, honestly I was reading your conversation with ls612 on the previous page and was kinda amused; had to tease you two a bit... but just because I respect you two so much!

Usually I only write german poetry so it was a nice excursion for me as well, also learning about old english words like 'wroth' and such.

Nevertheless, the credits really have to go to some vaporized essential oil as well as the music which elevated me even more... oh, the sun is shining?! - on with the job

 

[Hydromancerx]

Bumping for Joe.

 

[charlesb96]

What tag would I use to make a promotion line exclude another promotion line? Like you cannot build "x" building if "y" building is already in the city. I want to make the arctic and desert promotion lines be one OR the other, not both allowed.

 

[Thunderbrd]

There isn't a tag for that at the moment. However, there IS a way to go about it if you want. You can have the first arctic promo add a new Arctic subcombat class to the unit with the <SubCombatChangeTypes> tag and make the desert line use the <NotOnUnitCombatTypes> tag to indicate that any unit with the Arctic Combat Class should never have access to those promos. (And vice versa.)

You'd have to add these combat classes and there's a link to a tutorial on doing so in the Modder's Documentation first post.

Could make for an interesting modmod or even option actually... might lead to more consideration on how to utilize or play on the Arctic/Desert Subcombats.

 

[charlesb96]

How about for Great Generals? Can they be given the arctic or desert promo and have it affect the entire stack to keep everyone from taking damage?

 

[Thunderbrd]

On investigation of the code, it does not appear that the <IgnoreTerrainDamage> is setup for commanders. I believe I could change that for you. Perhaps over the weekend.

 

[Koshling]

On investigation of the code, it does not appear that the <IgnoreTerrainDamage> is setup for commanders. I believe I could change that for you. Perhaps over the weekend.

GCs don't get any of the regular promotions anyway, so making the tag work won't help unless you also add a bunch of extra promotions for GCs. In particular they don't get the normal 'combat' line, and since lots of things are dependent on combat 1 they cannot get those. Just giving them access o the regular lines is also not the answer, since having those apply in a GC-manner would rapidly become OP.

 

[strategyonly]

GCs don't get any of the regular promotions anyway, so making the tag work won't help unless you also add a bunch of extra promotions for GCs. In particular they don't get the normal 'combat' line, and since lots of things are dependent on combat 1 they cannot get those. Just giving them access o the regular lines is also not the answer, since having those apply in a GC-manner would rapidly become OP.

I agree, what they more or less need is a line especially for them, ie:

Spoiler :

Common anglophone military ranks

Navies |Armies |Air forces
Officers |
Admiral of the fleet |Marshal/field marshal |Marshal of the Air Force
Admiral |General |Air marshal
Commodore |Brigadier |Air commodore
Captain |Colonel |Group captain
Commander |Lieutenant colonel |Wing commander
Lieutenant commander |Major/commandant |Squadron leader
Lieutenant |Captain |Flight lieutenant
Sub-lieutenant |Lieutenant |Flying officer
Ensign |2nd lieutenant |Pilot officer
Midshipman |Officer cadet |Officer cadet
Seamen, |soldiers and |airmen

 

[charlesb96]

This is what I was hoping for, instead of generalized Generals, (pun intended), we can have specialized Generals. Montgomery and Rommel were great desert commanders, and the Finns and Russians had some great arctic commanders. Have the promotions reflect the specialization of the General, cavalry, artillery, infantry, navy, air, armored. And each promotion line disables the others.

 

[strategyonly]

This is what I was hoping for, instead of generalized Generals, (pun intended), we can have specialized Generals. Montgomery and Rommel were great desert commanders, and the Finns and Russians had some great arctic commanders. Have the promotions reflect the specialization of the General, cavalry, artillery, infantry, navy, air, armored. And each promotion line disables the others.

Agreed.

 

[Thunderbrd]

GCs don't get any of the regular promotions anyway, so making the tag work won't help unless you also add a bunch of extra promotions for GCs. In particular they don't get the normal 'combat' line, and since lots of things are dependent on combat 1 they cannot get those. Just giving them access o the regular lines is also not the answer, since having those apply in a GC-manner would rapidly become OP.

True but their promos use the regular promotion tags with differing (imparting) effect due to the use of the boolean that switches it to a leader promo. However, not all the tags on promotions are programmed to work if it is a leader promotion and unfortunately, the IgnoreTerrainDamage promo is one of them. Would be a fairly simple update though to the tag, if I'm not mistaken on how to go about it - making it so that if a unit is within the command scope of the general with this tag it gets the imparted effect.

This is what I was hoping for, instead of generalized Generals, (pun intended), we can have specialized Generals. Montgomery and Rommel were great desert commanders, and the Finns and Russians had some great arctic commanders. Have the promotions reflect the specialization of the General, cavalry, artillery, infantry, navy, air, armored. And each promotion line disables the others.

So you'd want to establish all the GG categories as additional Combat Classes then and allocate their promos to NOT be accessible to units of the other combat classes outside of the ones they are accessed on themselves. Then initial promo choices could guide the GG to become the selected 'type' by having those promos give the GG an added sub combat class. Make sense?

Note that the initial defining promos that guide the GGs down these CC paths would have to be unselectable by all other CC types as well.

 

[charlesb96]

Yes, each General would be for a few general promotions, and then level 5 or 6 have to decide what type he is going to be. After all Patton would have been terrible at Midway, and Admiral Farragut would have lost Gettysburg big time.