[GS] Canada Discussion Thread

[Siptah]

Boy I can't wait to see what @Zaarin has to say about this design actually.

"Thanks, I hate it".

He may like a civ that can't have a surprise war declared upon.

And I would have to respond that this particular ability feels like Switzerland light.

 

[Giskler]

Dido is 8th Century BC, which really stretches it imo. Ancient Era Leaders would include Ramesses, any Hittite King or Queen, Hammurabi,

Ok, well, the ancient era is pretty slim pickings apart from Egypt and Mesopotamia.

 

[riddleofsteel]

Im talking from a game play perspective. Also I was talking about civilizations not leaders. China, Greece, Cree, Aztecs, Egypt, Nubia, Scythia, Persia and Sumeria have part or all of their bonuses in the ancient era.

One of the reason we dont have a lot of leaders from 5000 or 6000 years ago is that we dont know anything about them. Also some of the really old leaders might be just mythical characters that like Gilgamesh or Dido for example.

This is true, but it didn't stop them from using Gilgamesh and he's practically just a myth, or at best a composite of other lesser men. We know at least as much about relatively-ancient characters like Ashurbanipal, Mithridates, Brennus, Vercingetorix, Yaroslav the Wise, Harold Godwinson, the list goes on.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

By the way, we will be able to trade quantities of strat resources? If so, take part in an emergency or two, get friendly with AI Canada and buy up their raw resources surplus for cheap.

Then after you buy them, complain that the Canadians are ripping you off to gain internal Loyalty points.

The real problem with the "no surprise war" is that basically every civ will end up denouncing Canada for no reason other than the ability to go to war with them. Also, Cyrus will hate their guts every game (and probably Alexander).

So Canada's "faces of peace" ability means - being hated by the international community. And their abilities are designed to encourage diplomatic victory.

Probably not an issue in single player, as the AI won't be coded to treat Canada differently. In multi-player, yes, it's likely auto "denounce" on sight and forever thereafter.

I'm going to greatly enjoy watching someone crush a mp game with a horde of mounties spamming parks - it will be so funny to watch! Especially if we can hear the commentary of the players on the receiving end.

I guess the question is whether Canada's strategic resource bonus will be enough to allow them to generate enough units to survive long enough to get to Feudalism farm triangles, let alone National Parks or Mounties.

 

[Jkchart]

He may like a civ that can't have a surprise war declared upon.

This is true. I also like that very much, and I'm sure many other peaceful players do as well. I do suspect he will take issue with many other parts of the design though.

 

[Siptah]

This is true. I also like that very much, and I'm sure many other peaceful players do as well. I do suspect he will take issue with many other parts of the design though.

Like the part that it is Canada?

 

[Pietato]

That tundra farm bonus is rubbish. Tundra still sucks, at 1 food and nothing else. If this is not changed, then Canada will only settle in tundra once they have ice hockey rinks and want to take all the oil and uranium.

A much better bonus would be: Tundra tiles are treated as plains.

 

[Uberfrog]

One of the reason we dont have a lot of leaders from 5000 or 6000 years ago is that we dont know anything about them. Also some of the really old leaders might be just mythical characters that like Gilgamesh or Dido for example.

For 4000 BC perhaps, but the in-game Ancient Era, if we take the Greek definition, lasts to around 600 BC. There are a great many leaders we could choose before then, particularly for Egypt, Nubia, Babylon, Assyria, etc.

 

[Sadberlin]

Is there anyone who has some ideas what this building could be? there is a new building in city centre.

 

[Jkchart]

Probably not an issue in single player, as the AI won't be coded to treat Canada differently. In multi-player, yes, it's likely auto "denounce" on sight and forever thereafter.

I'm quite glad I play with my brothers in Civ games then because we are generally peaceful and helpful (and we can avoid these fast domination competitive multiplayers which we find unfun), at least until someone forges an international incident usually starting mid-game and then the grudge lasts for the next LITERAL 8 years of games. But hey, FAMILY, amiright?

 

[Siptah]

View attachment 511709Is there anyone who has some ideas what this building could be? there is a new building in city centre.

It's the future era city graphic, no new building I think.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

View attachment 511709Is there anyone who has some ideas what this building could be? there is a new building in city centre.

Future era city models.

 

[PhilBowles]

"I'm Canadian and I never saw tundra in my life. 97% of Canadians live under the tundra line. This is bullfeathers."
Well, yeah, it's well know that all cities in Hungary are built like Budapest (seriously, they took one specificity of the capital being 2 cities reunited and spread it to all the empire... If this is not ridiculous, I don't know what is. But I red nowhere people complaining about the Hungary CUA).

It's a stretch, to be sure, but it's interesting in gameplay terms. Nothing Canada's doing is.

Or that Japan only win its war because they're a hurricane flooding their opponents (one big battle turned into a CUA is a little overreacting IMHO).

I don't understand what this is referencing. Japan just has a military unit that reflects a particularly notable part of the country's history, when it was largely warlike.

"Canada is too stereotypical, that's rubbish!"
Do we have to speak about Waltzing Matilda being the music of Australia?

Music isn't civ design, and Waltzing Matilda is a culturally significant piece for Australia just as Greensleeves is for England.

The Carnival and Jungle bonuses of Brazil?

Brazil is the poster child for lazy stereotypes turned into a civ, so even inviting the comparison is a bad sign.

CdM drinking champagne in a flute in a complete anachronistic way, in a time where champagne were merely just a sparkly wine and not more fancy than anything else? Gilgabro, a mythical semi-god?

Gilgamesh was a mythical demigod.

Scotland and they're bagpipes and golf?

Weren't you highlighting things people weren't complaining about? Plenty of people complained about Scotland's golf courses.

Egypt led by Cleopatra despite being a greek queen and capable of building multiple big sphinxes when they are kind of rare?

Also, something that has been widely complained about. And Cleopatra was a queen of Egypt - she's a legitimate leader of civ, just not a particularly good choice.

only one civ capable to build an improvment on water (after all, Indonesia is just a Dutch colony)

This doesn't seem relevant to anything, but is also factually incorrect. The name is modern, but the civ portrayed in both Civ V and Civ VI is the medieval Majapahit Empire which predates Dutch arrival in the region.

On overall, I kind of like Canada. They appeal a slighty different gameplay. They are not gamechanging like Maori or Kongo, and they are not as interresting as Hungary or Korea, but they are not as bland as Greece, America or Japan and not as lame as Georgia.

They're as bland as any of those, and America at least has an excuse for blandness: it's the civ Firaxis expects to be the default civ and the one new players in its largest market gravitate to. So it can't do anything very out of the ordinary.

Also, those three are base game civs. People are entitled to expect something a bit more developed from an expansion civ.[/quote]

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I am Ok with Canada. I won't complain about stereotypes. I expected Canada to be tundra Civ. I expected Mountie and hockey despite the fact I liked the idea of Canada's grand railway hotels as UI. A bit of stereotype in Civ design is better than contrived ideas IMO. I know one thing. I want St. Basil's Cathedral in my Canadian City! And Dance of Aurora as a Pantheon!
BTW:
Two Unique Districts, two Unique Buildings, and one Unique improvement left.
Districts for The Ottomans and Phoenicia, buildings for Sweden and Mali and last Improvement (Terrace farm) for The Inca?

 

[Siptah]

Districts for The Ottomans and Phoenicia, buildings for Sweden and Mali and last Improvement (Terrace farm) for The Inca?

My guess as well. Although I could imagine Ottomans getting a UB, and Mali getting the unique CH.

 

[Jkchart]

I don't understand what this is referencing. Japan just has a military unit that reflects a particularly notable part of the country's history, when it was largely warlike.

[/QUOTE]
"Divine Wind" (their Leader ability) refers to Kublai Khan's fleet being wiped out entirely by a Tsunami conveniently on its way to invade Japan. You can also call it by it's more Japanese term: "Kamikaze".

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Ok, well, the ancient era is pretty slim pickings apart from Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Too bad we know next to nothing about the Indus Valley.

Get on this, archaeologists!

 

[riddleofsteel]

Then after you buy them, complain that the Canadians are ripping you off to gain internal Loyalty points.

This made me chuckle as a Mainer. I can just picture diplomatic bickering with one nation complaining about "twonies and loonies" and then Canada retorting by saying they can buy something for "cheaper in St. Stephen, dere".

 

[Leathaface]

View attachment 511709Is there anyone who has some ideas what this building could be? there is a new building in city centre.

That's where Disco Stu parties.

 

[Zaarin]

Wow. I feel like they've combined the boringness of America with the stereotyped portrayal of Scotland, but without the epic stool kick or Teddy's theatricality. All that's missing is maple syrup and bacon.