Cannabis IS dangerous: The Independent

[Bozo Erectus]

For some reason whenever people think of legalizing pot, they think the government should sell it. How come the government isnt in the liquor business? That would be pretty stupid, right?

 

[El_Machinae]

In Canada, the government is in the liquor business ... ... how stupid is it NOW, buddy

 

[Bozo Erectus]

The Canadian government sells booze? Why?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I would love for the people who say legalize it and control the levels of THC to tell me how.

Go to shops, test the weed they sell. Go to the greenhouses, test the weed they grow. You can even buy thc test sets on the internet.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

The Canadian government sells booze? Why?

Well, it is more like provincial governments. Some provinces (mine) have privatized booze shops.

And why? I don't know, why do governments nationalize anything...

 

[skadistic]

Go to shops, test the weed they sell. Go to the greenhouses, test the weed they grow. You can even buy thc test sets on the internet.

So whats a "safe level"? Are they going to test each plant or each bud? The buds at the top are more premo then the ones that are a few inches below it. Why not limit how much one can consume instead? Are they going top deem the proper time to harvest too? What happens when the buds have more THC then when it was plucked?

 

[El_Machinae]

The Canadian government sells booze? Why?

I believe that each of the provincial governments have chosen to regulate alcohol, and seems to involve itself in the supply chain. I have no specialised knowledge of this topic, merely general knowledge.

Oh, and don't knock it ... we're leading the G8 in economic growth

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Well, it is more like provincial governments. Some provinces (mine) have privatized booze shops.

And why? I don't know, why do governments nationalize anything...

Liquor stores run by the government...Man that is waaaaay out there in Left Field. Never heard of a such a thing

 

[IglooDame]

For some reason whenever people think of legalizing pot, they think the government should sell it. How come the government isnt in the liquor business? That would be pretty stupid, right?

Oddly, the state of New Hampshire is in the liquor business. You can buy wine and beer pretty much anywhere, but for hard liquor you have to go to NH State Liquor Stores (there's one in pretty much every major town in the state).

And yes, I do think it's pretty stupid, especially for a state like New Hampshire.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I believe that each of the provincial governments have chosen to regulate alcohol, and seems to involve itself in the supply chain. I have no specialised knowledge of this topic, merely general knowledge.

Oh, and don't knock it ... we're leading the G8 in economic growth

Maybe so, but is Canada known for its booze?

Oddly, the state of New Hampshire is in the liquor business. You can buy wine and beer pretty much anywhere, but for hard liquor you have to go to NH State Liquor Stores (there's one in pretty much every major town in the state).

And yes, I do think it's pretty stupid, especially for a state like New Hampshire.

In America?? Am I suddenly in a bad Twilight Zone episode? Weird stuff.

 

[LucyDuke]

And I got in a serious car accident while sober. I'm not sure of your point.

There are side effects to smoking pot. It doesn't effect everyone especially at varying dosages.

Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones that can smoke a tree down and feel perfect. I am one of the lucky ones that can drink a keg and still be functionable.

I don't doubt that pot contributed to your panic attack, but my point was that it doesn't make much sense to cite that event and then call pot clearly dangerous, no more than it would make sense for me to cite mine and then call elevators clearly dangerous, no more than it would make sense for you to cite your sober accident and then call sobriety clearly dangerous.

 

[LucyDuke]

Legalise it to keep the THC levels in check. Only way to monitor it and act on breaches. When merely condoning or criminalising it, there's no means to do that.

Are you people serious? Higher concentrations of THC result in a safer product. Higher levels of THC mean users have to inhale less burning plant to get the same effect. Inhaling burning plant is the unhealthiest part of marijuana use. You know how when you're drinking tequila, you don't drink the same volume as if you were drinking beer? That's roughly how high- and low-potency marijuana compare.

Honestly, if you want to limit the potency of the plant in the process of legalization, you just don't understand the topic.

 

[IglooDame]

In America?? Am I suddenly in a bad Twilight Zone episode? Weird stuff.

The New Hampshire State Liquor Commission regulates the sale of alcohol in the state of New Hampshire. New Hampshire is one of 18 control states in the nation where the government directly controls the distribution of alcoholic beverages as well as being responsible for the regulation of alcoholic beverages. The Commission is an important source of revenue for the state, contributing over 100 million dollars to the General Fund each year.

Funny, that sounds sort of preemptively defensive, doesn't it?

And also, it sounds a bit like lottery restrictions, most states run the lotteries directly too.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Now that I think of it, state run lotteries are pretty weird too. I dont think the government should be in the business of enabling the addictions of the populace.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So whats a "safe level"? Are they going to test each plant or each bud? The buds at the top are more premo then the ones that are a few inches below it. Why not limit how much one can consume instead? Are they going top deem the proper time to harvest too? What happens when the buds have more THC then when it was plucked?

Oh, you want me to go into detail how to operate such a plan? I got better things to do mate, sorry. The problems you raise are not that hard to solve. Max THC level is Max THC level, so of course they will measure the worst case. And you want me to tell you the safe level? Well I haven't got the foggiest. How did they determine the max amount of nicotine in cigarettes? Also haven't got a clue. Why don't you ask me: "What kind of clothes will they wear on the way to work?". And if I don't know the answer you can go: "Ha! See! It can't be done \o/"

How do you normally test something in large amount when it's not viable to test every single one? Come on, I know you will be able to figure it out without any input from me.

edit: To your last question: Fine, fine, close. 3 strikes, end of business. For example. But creative minds may come up with better ones.

Are you people serious? Higher concentrations of THC result in a safer product. Higher levels of THC mean users have to inhale less burning plant to get the same effect. Inhaling burning plant is the unhealthiest part of marijuana use. You know how when you're drinking tequila, you don't drink the same volume as if you were drinking beer? That's roughly how high- and low-potency marijuana compare.

Honestly, if you want to limit the potency of the plant in the process of legalization, you just don't understand the topic.

Ok, so it wouldn't matter to double the alcohol percentage in beer because you'd drink half the amount, right?

You's funny

 

[skadistic]

Not only do states regulate and directly seel booze but some counties do too. I know of two liqure stores a mile apart that are vastly different. One can't sell on sundays. One brews its own but has to sell it to the county get it stamped for tax and then buy it back to sell in its own store.


States will do about anything for a buck.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

What the hell, if the government wants to sell me weed, might as well go for it.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

Are you people serious? Higher concentrations of THC result in a safer product. Higher levels of THC mean users have to inhale less burning plant to get the same effect. Inhaling burning plant is the unhealthiest part of marijuana use. You know how when you're drinking tequila, you don't drink the same volume as if you were drinking beer? That's roughly how high- and low-potency marijuana compare.

Honestly, if you want to limit the potency of the plant in the process of legalization, you just don't understand the topic.

You write as if the only people who try the stuff are sensible, occasional smokers who understand everything that is going on with the cannabis they are smoking.

What you must appreciate is that there are kids out there (many kids) who smoke it to get as high as possible, as quickly as possible and the higher the THC the better.

And it is the kids that are the most at risk of brain damage from the stronger ‘skunk’.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And it is old hippies like me who smoke for the taste of it. I have a good coffeeshop nearby who's card reads like a menu. I always buy Light Widow (from White Widow) which was grown to have the flavour but not the KO stonedness.

 

[IglooDame]

Now that I think of it, state run lotteries are pretty weird too. I dont think the government should be in the business of enabling the addictions of the populace.

But it's for the children!!! *sob*

Actually, at least one state makes that exact claim - Vermont lottery commercials note that profits go to the state education fund (and oddly, Vermont's commercials are much more tame than some states - sort of "you probably won't win, but fun to try" instead of "OMG You'll probably not win a bazillion dollars!!!!111one"

Anyway, we agree, though perhaps for different reasons - I don't think the government should be in the business of selling anything, particularly not "vice-related" products.