Capto Iugulum Background Thread

Will never happen. Total rubbish.:king:

Worth mentioning that following the War of the Catholic League, the souring of the Anglo-Swedish alliance over access to Chinese and east Asian markets turned the ultimate goal of Swedish/Scandinavian foreign policy from aligning Europe against the Catholic powers to aligning Europe against Britain. :p
 
On that note, I'm thinking of banging up a big post about exactly what went wrong with the League of Nations and what I was trying to do with it.

The LCN was never going to work; at least under the ideals which it was created. I made sure of that. It's original purpose, as proposed by me to the FBC when I was Austria were ignored, and an attempted League of Nations was created. It, at no point was useful directly to Austrian, and by extension Brandenburger needs, and it's death nail was as I said ad naseum, the bureaucracy and inability to be used as per it's original goal.

Essentially, it was useful to me as Austria, because I was able to basically use my position of power (however relative) in Central Europe to make a few demands. If they were not met when I made them, I would leave the LCN. No skin off my back; the relationship and need was very much a one-sided affair. Diplomatic breakdowns during the residual effects of Nukes reign as Brandenburg and Germany caused the war of 1918, which was the final blow to any hopes of the LCN acting in any sort of realistic capacity. In short, the LCN was uneffective from the start, and without complicit Germany/Austrian/Brandenburger support, (which it didn't get) it was doomed to failure.

Another reason I could speculate it failed was, there was no real need for it so soon after a war. Contrary to real life politics, there was no foundation or glue holding everyone together. The fear of a mass Russian attack, or some sort of Brazilian brash ridiculousness might have been a bit scary, but it was never enough to unify the entirety of Europe on one footing. French interests and goals were too different from German or Spanish goals from the get go. There weren't plagues, food-shortages, or anything of that nature that would have caused the member nations of the LCN to figuratively "drop everything", and help one another out. Any needs that I had as Austria or Germany were never met, and all were either completely discarded, or put up for a ridiculous vote.

Finally the LCN was never effective because there was too much of a sense of power parity among the members involved. Austria = Brandenburg = the FBC = Spain. While of course, at various times one or two of those nations may have been a bit "stronger" than the others, it was never enough to give a clear cut victor in a hypothetical war. So it created a situation that each nations was strong enough and independent enough to go about and handle it's own business, as each nations business was largely at odds with one another. I suppose a rather poor comparison would be to a UN with 4-5 nations of the size and power of the United States. Or perhaps a better comparison would be the current EU, if no nations involved really had the interest of each other in mind.

Essentially, in an OOC capacity of course (though this was what, a decade ago?) Austria used the LCN and it's need for Austrian involvement (as a counter-balance to Brandenburg's... uh.. threats and anger) as a platform to propagate it's own position within Europe, at least temporarily enough for German unification to occur. So in a nutshell, it was the LCN that allowed for German unification. Without me and friends being able to take advantage of the ridiculous bureaucracy involved in the situation German Unification would have never occurred. Well, at least in the way it did. So contrary to what might have seemed as a bit of a leap of faith, or luck was actually a bit more calculated, at least on my part behind closed doors.
 
Exactly why people like you shouldn't allowed near a NES.

Everyone has their own way to play. Some people play to win, others lose wars to Milarqui.
 
Though really, whether Germany plays to win and Germany's player plays to win are entirely different kettles of fish. A player playing to win is generally against the spirit of the games we play (how do you win with no victory condition?). A nation playing to win - particularly Germany, it seems - is totally in character and therefore a good thing.
 
In essence, NESes are places where players are able to set up their own victory conditions- in fact, my own thoughts on the hobby make that open-endedness one of the critical components of a NES.
 
Spain and America vs Brazil and Britain? Oh yes, I do recall :3
 
Failing to achieve your war aims while letting the enemy fulfill theirs is though :)
 
No one talks back to Russia. He says jump, you ask how high. He genocides your people, you thank him for the opportunity. Get to his level
 
No one talks back to Russia. He says jump, you ask how high. He genocides your people, you thank him for the opportunity. Get to his level

Sorry, Nuke, but that was a poorly thought out stab.
 
Sorry, Nuke, but that was a poorly thought out stab.
He never had an insult in the first place because Brazil is still winning. If you look at the stats, losing in East Asia was only a minor setback.
 
Oh yeah all that. Brazil seems to be really racking up the "L's".
 
You mean a dystopia? Depends. The liberal revolutions never really happened in this timeline, so authoritarian monarchies remain entrenched, particularly in Eastern Europe.
 
Is it just me or is this alternative world somewhat of a dystrophy ?

Well, it really depends on your viewpoint of things.
On the one hand, there is a lot less popular government in Europe, as Iggy already pointed out, and thanks to this thing called "Russia" it doesn't look like democracy of any kind will emerge east of Germany for a while. The Catholic Church still holds a fairly significant amount of influence.
A lot of countries suffered through brutal civil wars more often and more bloody than OTL civil wars. Rome, Hungary, the US, and to a lesser extent Spain, all come to mind.
In the Americas, the American government for the better part of a century was a brutal military dictatorship that kept slavery in full force, genocided (is that a word?) most of the Indians, and kept most of its populace in poverty in favor of a powerful landed aristocracy, until that government collapsed in 1912. (Read Circuit's stories for a better idea of what that was like.)

On the other hand, this world appears to be a few (5-10) years more technologically advanced than OTL, thanks to an earlier WWI analogue.
I don't believe that any extreme far-right ideology will emerge here, thanks to the rise of moralism, and even far-left Proletarism is nowhere near as extreme as OTL Stalinism. (Again, whether moralism is a good thing is up to you.)
Decolonization appears to be kicking off in force a few decades earlier, thanks to the Scandinavian Revolution, Spain losing lots of land and generally not being very stable, and Brazil and Argentina letting their gains from the Great War go as dominions. In this last 2-3 updates, like 10 new countries popped up in Africa alone, although granted Adjuuramark is not exactly a post-colonial country.

So no, it's not a dystopia. It may not be as "good" as the OTL 1920s, but then again, how do you describe "good?"
 
Also, Florida is a functioning democracy despite the large numbers of red-blooded texans gaffing everywhere.

What? Why are you laughing?
 
I don't believe that any extreme far-right ideology will emerge here, thanks to the rise of moralism

Miguel Primo de Rivera and the Party of the Phoenix would like a word with you.

They're relevant in my mind, damn it!

EDIT: relevant enough that they're pretty much responsible for the Basques and Catalans wanting their own state, anyway. I guess thats a kind of relevance.
 
I'm sure at least the Catalans already wanted more than they had. In any case the Phoenix Party just made them want it harder. :mischief:
 
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