Capto Iugulum
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Luckymoose
The World is Mine
@EQ: From our talks last night about the income I should have received from selling planes and British grants, my bank should be much higher than 83 EP.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: Vinland
CC: World
FROM: Brazil
We fully support the blockade against the coward Robert Wallace. Should the Pacific Concord retaliate against the Vinlandic government in any way, Brazil will consider it an act of war against herself. We will defend you.
TO: Peru
FROM: Brazil
We expect the quickest possible return of all sovereign lands of Ecuador to the successor republic. No annexations will be tolerated.
CC: World
FROM: Brazil
We fully support the blockade against the coward Robert Wallace. Should the Pacific Concord retaliate against the Vinlandic government in any way, Brazil will consider it an act of war against herself. We will defend you.
TO: Peru
FROM: Brazil
We expect the quickest possible return of all sovereign lands of Ecuador to the successor republic. No annexations will be tolerated.
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
To: The Republic of the United Netherlands
From: The United Principalities of India
We have never attempted to unify with the island, nor will we press them to. Please give an example of our so-called "attempts at unifying with the island". We know that it will not happen, nor do we wish it. It is they who wish to have their freedom. If you don't agree, then simply tell them so.
Well Mister Prime Minister, Vinland does not consider its blockade to be an act of war, and thusfar not a shot has been fired. We operate our blockades to prevent supplies from reaching the Allied Territories of America by water, while our forces on land inspect all border crossings to interdict the passage of weapons, ordnance or other military paraphernalia enters into the Allied Territories.
It is the stance of the Vinlandic Riksdag that our blockade is a matter of preventing materiel from reaching a rogue general in a state of rebellion against his government. You may hold the view that Wallace's actions have been entirely defensive, but the simple fact is that all he is defending is his own personal power, rather than the people living within the Allied Territories. While his initial justification for his leadership was that he was doing it for the benefit of the people in those wartorn lands, and for the Federal Government, his actions in recent years have made it clear that this is no longer the case. And while I appreciate your views on gradual reform from autarchic to more democratic forms of government, I do not believe that they present a strong argument for support of a dictatorship in a time of war.
However, this is all beside the point, because I would like to discuss solutions with you. Were I able to contact the government of the Second Union and gather some concessions to the Pacific Pact, might you be able to recognize the Second Union as the legitimate government, and allow it to reintegrate the Allied Territories? Getting straight to the details, if I was able to gather formal recognition of the full and legal independence of Florida and Jacksonia from President Zachary Jacobs of the Second Union, might the Pacific Concord be willing to drop its support of General Wallace?
To: Brazil
From: Vinland
We thank you for your enthusiastic offer of support, though we strongly hope that such aid will prove to be unnecessary.
It is the stance of the Vinlandic Riksdag that our blockade is a matter of preventing materiel from reaching a rogue general in a state of rebellion against his government. You may hold the view that Wallace's actions have been entirely defensive, but the simple fact is that all he is defending is his own personal power, rather than the people living within the Allied Territories. While his initial justification for his leadership was that he was doing it for the benefit of the people in those wartorn lands, and for the Federal Government, his actions in recent years have made it clear that this is no longer the case. And while I appreciate your views on gradual reform from autarchic to more democratic forms of government, I do not believe that they present a strong argument for support of a dictatorship in a time of war.
However, this is all beside the point, because I would like to discuss solutions with you. Were I able to contact the government of the Second Union and gather some concessions to the Pacific Pact, might you be able to recognize the Second Union as the legitimate government, and allow it to reintegrate the Allied Territories? Getting straight to the details, if I was able to gather formal recognition of the full and legal independence of Florida and Jacksonia from President Zachary Jacobs of the Second Union, might the Pacific Concord be willing to drop its support of General Wallace?
To: Brazil
From: Vinland
We thank you for your enthusiastic offer of support, though we strongly hope that such aid will prove to be unnecessary.
A Letter From President Wallace to the Nations of the World
It has come to my attention that my nations northern neighbors have recently denounced my struggle for seeking out the support of the gratuitous people of Japan and her allies in the Pacific Concord which my nation has recently entered. They also say that we consider the federal government to have lost it's legitimacy solely because of the support offered to it by the Franco-Burgundian Confederation. Though I would hope that most nations in the world could see through the lies purported by our insensate neighbors, it appears that I must show them. The United States of America does not, in fact, consider the Charleston regime to have become illegitimate because of it's support by foreign nations. Rather, we believe that when the Charleston government was nearing it's death bed, it was forced by Franco-Burgundy and Brazil to commit itself to liberal reforms against it's will, in order to prevent the region from falling to the negros. Though we understand the motives behind the decision to allow the nation to fall to the whims of a foreign power, we cannot abide by it. I had not realized the extent of the perversion of the American Way until the signing of the Treaty of Washington, at which point it became obvious that I had no choice, in order to save my nation, but to disavow the Charleston regime and carry on the tradition of the United States from Denver. As the United American Republic was and is nothing more than a region in rebellion, and due to the fact that, for all intents and purposes, the Second Union is a direct continuation of it, we do not see why we should recognize the legitimacy of it. If Vinland wishes to allow rebels to subvert a nation, then they would have never deported the refugees in western Vinland to United States.
I also wish to state that I have no intention whatsoever to allow the cease fire currently in place to crumble. Fundamentally, before any score may be settled between my government and that in Washington, the negro proletarist must be defeated. Many of our enemies state that, by not immediately recognizing and joining the Second Union, millions of people will die. However, it has been two years since there has been an engagement between the United American Republic and what was then the Allied Territories of America. People so often forget that it was we who proposed the cease fire, just as they forged that I have never started a war. The Allied Territories of America was merely a conglomeration of the various military districts that had found themselves no longer under the leadership of the Federal government. We did not enter into any hostilities until, at the behest of the Federal Government, we peacefully absorbed the Great Lakes Republic which was under assault by the United American Republic. Since then, the Allied Territories has been committed and actively engaged in the cause of restoring the Federal Government under the Scott Constitution, though we view that a new constitution is a necessity that will be met in due time.
However, my struggle is not only to see the United States restored, but to see it return as a strong nation with the capability to take a position of leadership in the world. Fundamentally, Vinland's only real concern is to see that the United States is a Vinlandic and Brazilian puppet state. The fact is that they fear the might of the American people, because as a united house, we cannot and have not been defeated. The opportunists who seek to capitalize on our current divided house do nothing but wish to see the American people exploited for their own gain. If the war hawks in Brazil and Vinland wish to wage war on the United States, then by all means we will give them a fight they will never forget. We seek to create a new Union not based on fear as our enemies say, but on the noble principals of patriotism and conservatism. Our struggle is noble in it's cause, and in the end we will prevail.
Signed, Robert Wallace, President of the United States of America
It has come to my attention that my nations northern neighbors have recently denounced my struggle for seeking out the support of the gratuitous people of Japan and her allies in the Pacific Concord which my nation has recently entered. They also say that we consider the federal government to have lost it's legitimacy solely because of the support offered to it by the Franco-Burgundian Confederation. Though I would hope that most nations in the world could see through the lies purported by our insensate neighbors, it appears that I must show them. The United States of America does not, in fact, consider the Charleston regime to have become illegitimate because of it's support by foreign nations. Rather, we believe that when the Charleston government was nearing it's death bed, it was forced by Franco-Burgundy and Brazil to commit itself to liberal reforms against it's will, in order to prevent the region from falling to the negros. Though we understand the motives behind the decision to allow the nation to fall to the whims of a foreign power, we cannot abide by it. I had not realized the extent of the perversion of the American Way until the signing of the Treaty of Washington, at which point it became obvious that I had no choice, in order to save my nation, but to disavow the Charleston regime and carry on the tradition of the United States from Denver. As the United American Republic was and is nothing more than a region in rebellion, and due to the fact that, for all intents and purposes, the Second Union is a direct continuation of it, we do not see why we should recognize the legitimacy of it. If Vinland wishes to allow rebels to subvert a nation, then they would have never deported the refugees in western Vinland to United States.
I also wish to state that I have no intention whatsoever to allow the cease fire currently in place to crumble. Fundamentally, before any score may be settled between my government and that in Washington, the negro proletarist must be defeated. Many of our enemies state that, by not immediately recognizing and joining the Second Union, millions of people will die. However, it has been two years since there has been an engagement between the United American Republic and what was then the Allied Territories of America. People so often forget that it was we who proposed the cease fire, just as they forged that I have never started a war. The Allied Territories of America was merely a conglomeration of the various military districts that had found themselves no longer under the leadership of the Federal government. We did not enter into any hostilities until, at the behest of the Federal Government, we peacefully absorbed the Great Lakes Republic which was under assault by the United American Republic. Since then, the Allied Territories has been committed and actively engaged in the cause of restoring the Federal Government under the Scott Constitution, though we view that a new constitution is a necessity that will be met in due time.
However, my struggle is not only to see the United States restored, but to see it return as a strong nation with the capability to take a position of leadership in the world. Fundamentally, Vinland's only real concern is to see that the United States is a Vinlandic and Brazilian puppet state. The fact is that they fear the might of the American people, because as a united house, we cannot and have not been defeated. The opportunists who seek to capitalize on our current divided house do nothing but wish to see the American people exploited for their own gain. If the war hawks in Brazil and Vinland wish to wage war on the United States, then by all means we will give them a fight they will never forget. We seek to create a new Union not based on fear as our enemies say, but on the noble principals of patriotism and conservatism. Our struggle is noble in it's cause, and in the end we will prevail.
Signed, Robert Wallace, President of the United States of America
ZeletDude
The Lion
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I was bored, and curious so...
Ranking of world Population as of 1917
World
Europe
The Americas
Africa/Far East/Middle East
Total - World Population - 1.033 Billion (obviously doesn't count colonies)
I used the manpower * 3 *3000 formula
Ranking of world Population as of 1917
World
Spoiler :
Europe
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The Americas
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Africa/Far East/Middle East
Spoiler :
Total - World Population - 1.033 Billion (obviously doesn't count colonies)
I used the manpower * 3 *3000 formula
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
To the Roman Empire
From Kurdistan
This is ridiculous! You are aiding the aggressors against your new ally! I politely ask that you stop defending Turkey.
From Kurdistan
This is ridiculous! You are aiding the aggressors against your new ally! I politely ask that you stop defending Turkey.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
ZeletDude
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Looks like we're missing about 800 million people.
Did I fail that badly
? Or are you talking about the colonies?
Yes manpower does not include those who would be of the correct age, among: colonial populations, ineligible for military service (i.e. blacks in the ATA or other racially divided states), or transient populations.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Those population stats would imply that Spain's population is about 2 million people less than it was at this time OTL, which doesn't make a lot of sense since Spain was a lot more prosperous in this timeline. I find it hard to believe that Spain has a smaller population than Vinland.
Man, I have the worst luck. Egypt is the worst colony.
To: the Republicans
From: The Empire of Spain
We have slaughtered your men, and destroyed your feeble attempt at seizing Madrid. You will be annihilated. Let us end this war, and talk a resolution to your rebellion. We promise we won't execute all of you.
Man, I have the worst luck. Egypt is the worst colony.
To: the Republicans
From: The Empire of Spain
We have slaughtered your men, and destroyed your feeble attempt at seizing Madrid. You will be annihilated. Let us end this war, and talk a resolution to your rebellion. We promise we won't execute all of you.
To: Allied Territories of America
From: Vinland
Please allow us to respond to this release part by part, as it contains a good amount of information.
Again, we believe you should recognize its legitimacy because it is the legal successor of the Charleston government to which you once professed your allegiance. Your reasons, dubious as they are, for abandoning this loyalty have been noted before, so you need not repeat them.
OOC: What.
IC: We do not understand what your press release means by this. As it is, it seems that you are saying that if we wanted rebels to harm an unspecified nation, then we would have kept all of the refugees in Western Vinland... which is nonsensical as well as confusing. We do not wish for rebels to subvert any nation, ours or others, and we deported some of the refugees due to their refusal to obey the laws of our nation. Could you perhaps clarify what you mean by this oddly-worded, tense-confused statement?
Had you immediately recognized and joined the Second Union, your combined forces could have forced a swifter and much less bloody resolution to this conflict than what we are currently experiencing.
This, General Wallace, is revisionist. The Allied Territories are a conglomeration of military districts united by an individual, yourself, in order to preserve order in the name of the Federal Government. Towards this goal, regrettably, you have wandered badly astray.
An honourable goal in broad scope, though your details leave much lacking. How will America achieve this greatness and leadership if it falls back into the same despotic trap that led it to ruin the previous time around?
If we wished to see America subordinate to Vinlandic interests- which is an idea so unrealistic as to be laughable- then we would support your independence and strive to keep America as divided as possible. In this state, Vinland would so that we would be able to establish ourselves as the premier power of the continent.
Again, were this the case, why would we try to unite you? Your argument would work if we were trying to prevent American reunification.
If we intended to 'capitalize on [your] divided house' then we would not have pursued this course of action. We intend to see the Allied Territories reunited with the Federal Government, for the establishment of a lasting peace on the continent.
Take from this what you will, but the American people are moving on without you, General Wallace. You can rage and struggle against these tidal changes in our world, and be defeated, your name held in ignominy for years to come. Alternatively, you can still reach out to the Second Union. As you said, the ceasefire has been maintained, there has not yet been bloodshed to generate bad feelings. Rejoin the Federal Government, as you once swore you would. Strive to achieve these changes through the power of speech, making use of your own charisma, not through force of arms. If the America you speak of still exists, then you shall find its support.
From: Vinland
Please allow us to respond to this release part by part, as it contains a good amount of information.
Dai Nippon's presence in America is gratuitous, you say?
So, General Wallace, do you understand yourself to be the arbiter of what is necessary for the salvation of America? More to the point, do you see the American public's access to democracy to be a 'perversion', something which America must be rescued from? Vinland finds this to be quite telling.
Again, we believe you should recognize its legitimacy because it is the legal successor of the Charleston government to which you once professed your allegiance. Your reasons, dubious as they are, for abandoning this loyalty have been noted before, so you need not repeat them.
OOC: What.
IC: We do not understand what your press release means by this. As it is, it seems that you are saying that if we wanted rebels to harm an unspecified nation, then we would have kept all of the refugees in Western Vinland... which is nonsensical as well as confusing. We do not wish for rebels to subvert any nation, ours or others, and we deported some of the refugees due to their refusal to obey the laws of our nation. Could you perhaps clarify what you mean by this oddly-worded, tense-confused statement?
Had you immediately recognized and joined the Second Union, your combined forces could have forced a swifter and much less bloody resolution to this conflict than what we are currently experiencing.
This, General Wallace, is revisionist. The Allied Territories are a conglomeration of military districts united by an individual, yourself, in order to preserve order in the name of the Federal Government. Towards this goal, regrettably, you have wandered badly astray.
The Scott Constitution quashed civil liberties throughout the United States and condemned America to decades of military dictatorship. The less of it that remains, the better, and delaying the creation of a new constitution is indefensible at this juncture, given how the Second Union has already created such a document.
An honourable goal in broad scope, though your details leave much lacking. How will America achieve this greatness and leadership if it falls back into the same despotic trap that led it to ruin the previous time around?
If we wished to see America subordinate to Vinlandic interests- which is an idea so unrealistic as to be laughable- then we would support your independence and strive to keep America as divided as possible. In this state, Vinland would so that we would be able to establish ourselves as the premier power of the continent.
Again, were this the case, why would we try to unite you? Your argument would work if we were trying to prevent American reunification.
If we intended to 'capitalize on [your] divided house' then we would not have pursued this course of action. We intend to see the Allied Territories reunited with the Federal Government, for the establishment of a lasting peace on the continent.
Your devotion is to a cause that has not received the democratic support of the American people. You presume to know what your nation needs, but fear to stand before a crowd of your peers, the people, and face their judgement in a genuine, multiple-candidate democratic election. Your struggle is not noble, it is stubborn and narcissistic.
Take from this what you will, but the American people are moving on without you, General Wallace. You can rage and struggle against these tidal changes in our world, and be defeated, your name held in ignominy for years to come. Alternatively, you can still reach out to the Second Union. As you said, the ceasefire has been maintained, there has not yet been bloodshed to generate bad feelings. Rejoin the Federal Government, as you once swore you would. Strive to achieve these changes through the power of speech, making use of your own charisma, not through force of arms. If the America you speak of still exists, then you shall find its support.
J.K. Stockholme
Right Opposition
OOC: My misinterpretation. Though it is still in character for the party.
IC:
SAYSSET REELECTED, National Unity Calls for More Arms, Rail and Pride
By Gaston Blaché
Saysset has taken this election, winning on a platform of increased military spending and security, the people of Occitania have shirked the needless expenses his conservative parliament have forwarded. Last years expenditures, as I reviewed the official documents, placed the country's revenue into rail companies and rail lines into remote parts of the country.
I however, unlike a number of journalists, have indeed found agreeable the expenditure of revenue into our electrical system, which my best estimates put at between 75-85% universal in the country.
So for the coming three years, my predictions are as follows. I expect Saysset will finish his second phase of the reconstruction, his acceptance speech in Toulouse was indicative of this end, including the following quotation I obtained:
"...and universally will our systems of electricity and rail support this nation, extending to every corner of this great nation."
Furthermore, unless an external economic factor hurts the general prosperity, the liberals will have few places to contend if the Saysset government simply maintains its few platform goals. So I fully expect them to come through with the listed ones, protecting the border, and enhancing national pride wherever it is to be done so, even when it includes egregious expenses, such as the rail project I criticized last year in this same news journal.
All the while, I see the king continuing to be absent generally from these proceedings, which I have concluded as his reservation towards this democracy, rather than his resignation, as some radicals in this very journal have been proposing. Either way, we'll see if tough choices are necessary by our government, with further tension along the border.
Lord of Elves
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Similarly, the combined population of Sweden, Norway and Finland as of "right now" is pretty much exactly twice the listed population of Scandinavia. We can probably assume that due to geopolitical significance and economic prosperity throughout the 19th century that if anything, Scandinavia ought to be more populous than eighteen million, as opposed to half that number.
Jehoshua
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ooc: looks like the Church forbidding contraception translates into a well-populated Papal States considering its size.
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To Germany
From The Holy See
The Holy See would like to remind the German Empire of its duty to fulfil the obligations it inherited from Austria to the Holy See to provide complete payment as per the agreed amount for the Holy See.
The Holy See also gives its condolences to the german people on the death of the Emperor.
Pope Paul VI
To Italy
From The Holy See
The Holy See requests in light of the recent acquisition of infidel lands in north africa that the Kingdom of Italy re-affirms its foundational commitment to the Divine and Catholic faith and officially declares unnambiguosly that it remains a Catholic State.
Furthermore the Holy See requess permission from, and assistance with, the task of converting the wayward muslim infidels, who elsewhere in places like Azerbaijan make themselves known as enemies of christian civilisation, to the One True Faith.
Such a concordat between us would improve upon our two states already good relationship, and ensure continued trust between Church and State on the italian peninsula.
Pope Paul VI
To The South American Nations
From The Holy See
The Holy See congratulates Peru and Colombia on the elimination of the perverse and godless proletarian regime of Equador. This regime which denied your regions foundation in Catholic virtue was tyrannical and acted in ways gravely contrary to the precepts of the divine religion.
The Holy See now hopes that a just resolution for the Equadorian people can be achieved consistent with the divine law and the demands of of righteousness.
Pope Paul VI.
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To Germany
From The Holy See
The Holy See would like to remind the German Empire of its duty to fulfil the obligations it inherited from Austria to the Holy See to provide complete payment as per the agreed amount for the Holy See.
The Holy See also gives its condolences to the german people on the death of the Emperor.
Pope Paul VI
To Italy
From The Holy See
The Holy See requests in light of the recent acquisition of infidel lands in north africa that the Kingdom of Italy re-affirms its foundational commitment to the Divine and Catholic faith and officially declares unnambiguosly that it remains a Catholic State.
Furthermore the Holy See requess permission from, and assistance with, the task of converting the wayward muslim infidels, who elsewhere in places like Azerbaijan make themselves known as enemies of christian civilisation, to the One True Faith.
Such a concordat between us would improve upon our two states already good relationship, and ensure continued trust between Church and State on the italian peninsula.
Pope Paul VI
To The South American Nations
From The Holy See
The Holy See congratulates Peru and Colombia on the elimination of the perverse and godless proletarian regime of Equador. This regime which denied your regions foundation in Catholic virtue was tyrannical and acted in ways gravely contrary to the precepts of the divine religion.
The Holy See now hopes that a just resolution for the Equadorian people can be achieved consistent with the divine law and the demands of of righteousness.
Pope Paul VI.
ZeletDude
The Lion
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Similarly, the combined population of Sweden, Norway and Finland as of "right now" is pretty much exactly twice the listed population of Scandinavia. We can probably assume that due to geopolitical significance and economic prosperity throughout the 19th century that if anything, Scandinavia ought to be more populous than eighteen million, as opposed to half that number.
18 Million in 2012, already explained this to you on AIM.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: Monarchist Spain
FROM: Empire of Brazil
We deny your government's legitimacy based on these comments. We deny any further reparations from your government. Brazil hereby announces full political support for the Republic of Spain and their movement to overthrow the tyrannical military and absolutist regime in Madrid. Brazil can not stand idly by, watching the Spanish Emperor spit on the rights of the people he should be protecting. Any attempts to thwart our aid to the Republican cause will be met as an official declaration of war on the Empire of Brazil and liberty throughout the world.
