CDG Series Discussion Thread

[beetle]

...where there is more frustrations than needed.

Can you expand on what you mean by frustrations?

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

Can you expand on what you mean by frustrations?

I can kind of understand there. In the Venice map, I tried to fix up Austria to be able to buy up all the city-states and that plan backfired completely. The game likes to do its own thing, so IGE needs to be used in enough moderation to maybe add a little bit of a theme to the map but not try to shape the AI's and player's in-game behavior. That's what the achievements are for!!! Trying to control the AI is like herding cats.

 

[Shark Diver]

Any map-editing I plan on doing in the future would only involve slight shaping of the terrain to accomplish a goal and removing the ever-annoying ice blockage from the map. IGE has a feature that allows you to see the whole map without ruining it, which is perfect for chasing the Ice away.

Agreed. If I'd have known about the ice blocking in the Inca game, I may have gone with another map. In this case, however

Spoiler :

That little block of ice probably saved the Inca homeland from invasion by some pretty large navies

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[Wild_Woojsha]

I've updated the list with new claims and mentions as well. If anyone else has one, let me know and I'll add it or you can quote the post and add your name wherever. I bold the claims, italicize the mentions, and strike through the completed games. Here is the updated list:

Civs available to choose from:
American - Washington
Arabian - Harun al-Rashid - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Assyrian - Ashurbanipal - CDG02
Austrian - Maria Theresa - CDG08
Aztec - Montezuma
Babylonian - Nebuchadnezzar II
Brazilian - Pedro II - CDG09
Byzantine - Theodora - CDG12
Carthaginian - Dido
Celtic - Boudicca - Claimed by Consentient for CDG15, scheduled for June 1st.
Chinese - Wu Zetian
Danish - Harald Bluetooth - CDG10
Dutch - William
Egyptian - Ramesses II
English - Elizabeth
Ethiopian - Haile Selassie - CDG03
French - Napoleon
German - Bismarck
Greek - Alexander
Hunnic - Attila
Incan - Pachacuti - CDG13
Indian - Gandhi - Claimed by Donkeyfish for CDG14, scheduled for May 15th.
Indonesian - Gajah Mada - CDG05
Iroquois - Hiawatha
Japanese - Oda Nobunaga
Korean - Sejong
Mayan - Pacal
Mongolian - Genghis Khan - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Moroccan - Ahmad al-Mansur
Ottoman - Suleiman
Persian - Darius I - CDG01
Polish - Casimir III
Polynesian - Kamehameha
Portuguese - Maria I
Roman - Augustus Caesar - Possibly by Donkeyfish, requested by many
Russian - Catherine
Shoshone - Pocatello - CDG07
Siamese - Ramkhamhaeng
Songhai - Askia - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Spanish - Isabella - CDG04
Swedish - Gustavus Adolphus
Venetian - Enrico Dandolo - CDG11
Zulu - Shaka - CDG06

Ok so, I just removed my claims because all my ideas were based too much on real life and this series isn't about that. Not only that, they involved too much IGE modifications to realize my visions, which isn't appropriate here, so they are up for grabs.

 

[consentient]

Why isn't IGE appropriate? At what point does it become inappropriate?

I can prepare the Celtic map for whatever is the next available date. Just tell me what that date is, please.

 

[BlackWizard]

I don't like heavily modified maps. It's fine if you move some NW or modify starting dirt slightly, but heavily modified ones like the April 1st Venice is fine only once a year. My experience is that modifications would just create a strange game where there is more frustrations than needed.

Well what have in mind is more modified than aprils fools but less modified if that makes sense after all its post-apocalypse map Im planning

Difficulty level would be same as usual(medium-hard) so not not very easy cheesy or painfully hard...just different in many ways...and it wouldnt need mods to play. Probably closer hard than easy because AI has same bonuses as usual but they help them more than in standard game(I think so)

I can create that kind of map but it will take couple of hours of my work. I might not play that map because I know everything that map has so i dont have surprises for myself

If people are interested i will create map....it doesnt have to be inside CDG if people dont want it to be...for which civ should I create it for?

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

Why isn't IGE appropriate? At what point does it become inappropriate?

I can prepare the Celtic map for whatever is the next available date. Just tell me what that date is, please.

From what I can see, the next available date is June 1st. I'll add you to the list above as claimed, I have been looking forward to another round with the Celts.

I'm not sure where the line is drawn with IGE. I think it should be used every time just because its by far the easiest way to check a rolled map. As for making changes with it though, that's where the debate begins and I'm not sure where it ends. Ice Removal wasn't included in the Incan map, and it affected it in a good way from what I can tell so I'm not sure what to make of that...

My plans for America, Attila, and Alex involved recreating the current political climate here in the states, a crazy-difficult OCC apocalypse straight from the rumors of history that may have backfired, and a recreation of the movie 300. They were going to involve even more IGE shenanigans than the Venice map, and that map was only tolerated thanks to it being April Fools. So I'm pulling out of those before I embarrass myself, maybe I'll post them as one-offs later but I see no way to really fit them into this series as they focus more on the history of the Civ and less on how it plays. The Attila map would have focused on the how it plays, but I'm not ready to make that map yet anyways...

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

Well what have in mind is more modified than aprils fools but less modified if that makes sense after all its post-apocalypse map Im planning

Difficulty level would be same as usual(medium-hard) so not not very easy cheesy or painfully hard...just different in many ways...and it wouldnt need mods to play. Probably closer hard than easy because AI has same bonuses as usual but they help them more than in standard game(I think so)

I can create that kind of map but it will take couple of hours of my work. I might not play that map because I know everything that map has so i dont have surprises for myself

If people are interested i will create map....it doesnt have to be inside CDG if people dont want it to be...for which civ should I create it for?

By post-apocalypse, do you mean information era start? Or settler start with fallout everywhere? Anyways, The list is farther up, anything that isn't struckthrough can be claimed, anything in italics should be debated since someone else mentioned it but didn't claim it. As for modifying, from what I can gather the modifying should be subtle enough that it doesn't affect too much of how the game is usually played. It's a tough judgement call, which is why most don't do it.

 

[BlackWizard]

By post-apocalypse, do you mean information era start? Or settler start with fallout everywhere? Anyways, The list is farther up, anything that isn't struckthrough can be claimed, anything in italics should be debated since someone else mentioned it but didn't claim it. As for modifying, from what I can gather the modifying should be subtle enough that it doesn't affect too much of how the game is usually played. It's a tough judgement call, which is why most don't do it.

All start from ancient era. Somewhere is fallout somewhere not so much. City states have strong units to start with and some barbarians camps have strong units from get go. Maybe human starting with scout+worker instead of warrior because lots of waste

 

[consentient]

From what I can see, the next available date is June 1st. I'll add you to the list above as claimed, I have been looking forward to another round with the Celts.

I'm not sure where the line is drawn with IGE. I think it should be used every time just because its by far the easiest way to check a rolled map. As for making changes with it though, that's where the debate begins and I'm not sure where it ends. Ice Removal wasn't included in the Incan map, and it affected it in a good way from what I can tell so I'm not sure what to make of that...

Cheers. I enjoy a bit of playing around with IGE from time to time. When I started the series my routine was usually roll a number of different maps with Rotate Start Positions and save a bunch of them. Then load each in IGE, zoom out and reveal the terrain to look at the overall landmass shape, try to find something interesting. Then I'd choose the landmass that was best and then the start position that was most interesting (trying to put the human in the middle ahead of at one end). Then remove ice if applicable, and occasionally adding or removing resources but not often.

With The Celts, I'd like to make the most of their UA by giving them very favourable terrain, but then balancing it out by having each of their enemies also having perfect terrain for those civs, and maybe giving them something sweet like I did on the Assyria map, making it a fun but hard Dom map.

What do you all think?

 

[Shark Diver]

Ok so, I just removed my claims because all my ideas were based too much on real life and this series isn't about that.

I really wish you'd rethink this. You had some "fun" ideas and it's ridiculous to have to walk on eggshells because the freakin PC police decided to get their hackles up over a particular historical atrocity.

This is a freakin game. It is about all aspects of civilization building, including warfare, slavery (worker stealing), and innocents suffering. Do you turtle up and play peaceful games every time? How is clearing a barbarian camp dissimilar to what happened in the American West? Do you ever demand tribute from a CS?

This is NOT a freakin "safe space" on a college campus. It is an online forum discussing a game that is based on science, religion, culture, commerce, AND warfare. Please leave the PC crap at home and don't bring it here (not addressing anyone in particular).

WW, please don't give in to that type of pressure. I'll walk away from this forum and not look back if that's the way things are going to work here.

 

[Shark Diver]

With The Celts, I'd like to make the most of their UA by giving them very favourable terrain, but then balancing it out by having each of their enemies also having perfect terrain for those civs, and maybe giving them something sweet like I did on the Assyria map, making it a fun but hard Dom map.

What do you all think?

I like the premise but I've also been wanting to play a fun Celtic CV game (Sacred Sites maybe?). As you just recently demonstrated, that can definitely fit in well with a Dom strategy. I'd think that matches the UU up a bit better than pure Dom. Just a thought...

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

I really wish you'd rethink this. You had some "fun" ideas and it's ridiculous to have to walk on eggshells because the freakin PC police decided to get their hackles up over a particular historical atrocity.

This is a freakin game. It is about all aspects of civilization building, including warfare, slavery (worker stealing), and innocents suffering. Do you turtle up and play peaceful games every time? How is clearing a barbarian camp dissimilar to what happened in the American West? Do you ever demand tribute from a CS?

This is NOT a freakin "safe space" on a college campus. It is an online forum discussing a game that is based on science, religion, culture, commerce, AND warfare. Please leave the PC crap at home and don't bring it here (not addressing anyone in particular).

WW, please don't give in to that type of pressure. I'll walk away from this forum and not look back if that's the way things are going to work here.

Thanks for that, unfortunately I think the owners of this site don't see it that way and I don't want to bring the wrath of mod down on us because I wanted to poke fun at what's going on around us with my maps. I read this thing again http://forums.civfanatics.com/faq.php?faq=updated_rules_2011 and I'm just going to relax about this and be more creative and less troublesome. Besides, I was tying up three popular civs and I've only completed 1 CDG so far, I have no right to do that. I haven't even beaten MY own challenge yet! I'm taking a step back and working on playing this game instead of creating crazy maps that may make others mad.

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

I like the premise but I've also been wanting to play a fun Celtic CV game (Sacred Sites maybe?). As you just recently demonstrated, that can definitely fit in well with a Dom strategy. I'd think that matches the UU up a bit better than pure Dom. Just a thought...

I second culture victory idea, we've had about 5 culture maps, 2 science, and 6 domination maps. We could use another culture game after the science game and take a break from dominating (not that anyone takes a break from dominating on this game...)

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

I have updated the list correctly, with links to the previous games. Anyone can quote this post and add claims in bold. I added mentions in italics since they weren't bold claims. Quoting the post is the only way to keep the formatting unfortunately, so I would do that if you can.

CDG1: Persia, Oct 31st, 2015, domination, Pangea, hard, map by Consentient
CDG2: Assyria, Nov 15th, 2015, science, Pangea, medium, map by Consentient
CDG3: Ethiopia, Dec 2nd, 2015, culture, NQ Pangea, hard, map by Consentient
CDG4: Spain, Dec 17th, 2015, domination, NQ Pangea, medium, map by Consentient
CDG5: Indonesia, Jan 2nd, 2016, culture, NQ Continents, hard, map by Consentient
CDG6: Zulus, Jan 15th, 2016, domination, Oval, easy, map by Consentient
CDG7: Shoshone, Feb 2nd, 2016, culture, Oval, very easy, map Created by Enslingkorp
CDG8: Austria, Feb 15th, 2016, science, Pangea, very easy, map by IronfighterXXX
CDG9: Brazil, Feb 28th, 2016, culture, Pangea, medium, map by Blatc
CDG10: Denmark, March 14th, 2016, domination, Pangea, hard, map by Beetle
CDG11: Venice, April 1st, 2016, domination, Archipelago, very easy, map by Wild_Woojsha
CDG12: Byzantium, April 15th, 2016, domination, Terra Incognita, very hard, map by Beetle
CDG13: THE Inca, May 1st, 2016, culture, Archipelago, medium, map by Shark Diver

Civs available to choose from:
American - Washington
Arabian - Harun al-Rashid - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Aztec - Montezuma
Babylonian - Nebuchadnezzar II
Carthaginian - Dido
Celtic - Boudicca - Claimed by Consentient for CDG15, scheduled for June 1st.
Chinese - Wu Zetian
Dutch - William
Egyptian - Ramesses II
English - Elizabeth
French - Napoleon
German - Bismarck
Greek - Alexander
Hunnic - Attila
Indian - Gandhi - Claimed by Donkeyfish for CDG14, scheduled for May 15th.
Iroquois - Hiawatha
Japanese - Oda Nobunaga
Korean - Sejong
Mayan - Pacal
Mongolian - Genghis Khan - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Moroccan - Ahmad al-Mansur
Ottoman - Suleiman
Polish - Casimir III
Polynesian - Kamehameha
Portuguese - Maria I
Roman - Augustus Caesar - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Russian - Catherine
Siamese - Ramkhamhaeng
Songhai - Askia - Possibly by Donkeyfish
Swedish - Gustavus Adolphus

 

[Shark Diver]

Thanks for that, unfortunately I think the owners of this site don't see it that way and I don't want to bring the wrath of mod down on us because I wanted to poke fun at what's going on around us with my maps. I read this thing again http://forums.civfanatics.com/faq.php?faq=updated_rules_2011 and I'm just going to relax about this and be more creative and less troublesome. Besides, I was tying up three popular civs and I've only completed 1 CDG so far, I have no right to do that. I haven't even beaten MY own challenge yet! I'm taking a step back and working on playing this game instead of creating crazy maps that may make others mad.

Fair enough. I just find bringing PC into this forum to be very offensive (not pointing any fingers). Let's leave the politics to other websites and keep this one to the game, people.

I'd like to claim the Netherlands for my next map as I have a fun idea (still getting over the pain and suffering from that Netherlands DCL game last year). Please give me a date sometime in the future if that's ok?

Edit: If anyone is wondering why I seem to have my dander up on the PC topic it's because there have been several posts over the last few weeks that have gone that direction. I really would appreciate it if politics could be checked at the door here. I get enough exposure to that elsewhere and this place, to me, has always been a nice respite from that discussion. I try not to offend others when I post and I'd appreciate the same courtesy.

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

Fair enough. I just find bringing PC into this forum to be very offensive (not pointing any fingers). Let's leave the politics to other websites and keep this one to the game, people.

I'd like to claim the Netherlands for my next map as I have a fun idea (still getting over the pain and suffering from that Netherlands DCL game last year). Please give me a date sometime in the future if that's ok?

June 15th far enough into the future? If so, I'll edit my post and move the on-deck games up once a date is set for them. We can also maybe do more than two games a month if people are up for that.

 

[beetle]

From THE Inca thread:

How about a "world police" kind of game, which reflects a more modern America

I would like to volunteer to roll this up. It would be for a Diplo VC which we have not had yet in the CDG. Short of 7 Alexs, I can’t really think how to make diplo challenging, so I think this would be mostly about the RP, and playing a militaristic civ against its natural strengths.

Opponents would be Russia, China, Korea, Japan, and the rest drawn from the Mid East characters.

Proposed achievement points:
Close out Liberty, run Freedom: 1 point each.
Broadway and Atomic+ Era wonders: 1 point each for building (bulbs okay, 0 points for capture).
Your World Ideology and World Religion passed: 1 point each.
Win International Games and build ISS: 1 point each.
Complete Apollo and Manhattan projects: 1 point each.

Penalty: Each civ killed (and not recalled) after WC convenes: minus 1 point each.

Comments? Suggestions?

Indian - Gandhi - Claimed by Donkeyfish for CDG14, scheduled for May 15th.

Where is the dialog on that one?

All start from ancient era. Somewhere is fallout somewhere not so much. City states have strong units to start with and some barbarians camps have strong units from get go. Maybe human starting with scout+worker instead of warrior because lots of waste

That sounds interesting enough, and not too radical. I think that fallout disappears after a bunch of turns. That could be an interesting mechanic for opening up parts of the map. Or we might see the AI settling the fallout zone early because they don’t realize that the tiles are 0 yield. Have you experimented with this on your own maps?

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

Anyways, I can and roll an India map (seemed most popular of my ideas) for May 15th. I will make a suggested achievement thing on May 2nd, so we dont confuse the discussion with 2 maps at once. If Inca CV is next, I will chose India SV.

Right here, it was 2-3 pages back. I think your achievements rock for the America game, feel free to take it. When do you want to offer up that one? We seem to be booking into July...

 

[BlackWizard]

That sounds interesting enough, and not too radical. I think that fallout disappears after a bunch of turns. That could be an interesting mechanic for opening up parts of the map. Or we might see the AI settling the fallout zone early because they don’t realize that the tiles are 0 yield. Have you experimented with this on your own maps?

I have to check how AIs found their first and second cities. Starting location would be somewhat waste free. And also does someone know if certain tech is required to clean up waste. AIs have workers to start with so waste isnt going to be so big problem for them. They also have faster workers on Deity?

I have to play couple of test games with different civs and maps. By the way should it be nuclear winter so most of area is tundra or nuclear summer and desert? Im still making only ideas for map and glad to hear there is at least one person who is interested of map