Patine
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I don't disagree with this. And nothing I have said indicates I do. However, the idea of quotas and caps of civilizations by continent, which is SPECIIFCALLY I was addressing, is just so artificial and arbitrary - and conspicuous - as to also be something a Civ game should definitely avoid like the plague. You, and several other posters, have been reading more into my intent and message than has been there, and even throwing these presumptions at me as though they were responding to things I'd actually, and I think that needs to end, if you will. My point is on one specific pivot, and it was only really in direct opposition to one to three posters, and had nothing to do with the presumptuous extra such you and others conjured out of nowhere. So, please, can be end an argument was never actually there?Civilization is, and has always been an entirely althistorical game, where even on TSL the game is *never* meant to follow the course of history, where the civilizations are what you build over the course of the game, not what you are at the start of the game - the "civilization" you pick at the start of the game is merely flavor and familiarity to serve as a starting point for the civilization you intend to build.
The idea that we should limit who's playable based on who did or did not achieve certain anthropological benchmark, or that we should exclude tribal people or nomadic people, is in that light wholly and entirely unnecessary, because there's no reasonable non-bigoted argument why a "What if the Sioux developed an urban civilization" is inherently impossible. As a matter of fact, in the specific case of the Sioux, given there is not insignificant evidence that many of the Siouan languages can be linked to the Northern Mississippian cities of Ohio and upper Mississippi valleys, it's not only plausible that it could have happened; it's plausible that it did, in fact, happen.
(And that whole disgression with the Mississippian also point out to how much of history remains unknown to us, and how the "tribes" of European colonial thinking may have actually been the urban settled people of another time, so maybe judgemental categorization about "this group was too primitive to be a civilization" should...get lost).