Chris Christie is in Trouble

[Adjuvant]

I don't understand why people feel the need to clown a guy so harshly who's obviously a moderate, who has demonstrated willingness to "work across the aisle". Rick Perry, sure. Michelle Bachmann, of course.

I don't feel "America is ready" for a female president, and I'm not entirely sure Clinton even wants the job. Democrats will likely get stuck with Joe Biden as their candidate. Would you rather have Biden or Christie?

edit: Biden is Roman Catholic, if that's any influence on your decision.

 

[JollyRoger]

I wouldn't even want Christie as a traffic cop.

 

[Adjuvant]

I wouldn't even want Christie as a traffic cop.

Care to cite any reasons for that?

 

[JollyRoger]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=518614

 

[Adjuvant]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=518614

Man, I try with you. I really do.

Would you care to cite real data and not overblown b.s.? Like, he's not qualified for the job because he... once accused a political opponent falsely of being under investigation, or are we just going to get "because he's a fat poopy head" from you?

 

[JollyRoger]

He is either a bully willing to shut down traffic over a snub or an incompetent fool that cannot keep control of his top staff. Either way, not Presidential material.

 

[Adjuvant]

He is either a bully willing to shut down traffic over a snub or an incompetent fool that cannot keep control of his top staff. Either way, not Presidential material.

edit : actually, what I typed wasn't fair. I hope your decision making process serves you well.

 

[JollyRoger]

What is the positive non-spin that benefits Christie here?

 

[Adjuvant]

None of this current affair benefits him, necessarily.

I think the real question should be, "does he harbor an atmosphere of this kind of behavior". I.E. is this a regular practice around his office, and these people just screwed up and got caught. I think the answer is no.

 

[JollyRoger]

He didn't bother to find out - firing the so-called culprit without getting an explanation.

 

[IglooDame]

I don't understand why people feel the need to clown a guy so harshly who's obviously a moderate, who has demonstrated willingness to "work across the aisle". Rick Perry, sure. Michelle Bachmann, of course.

I don't feel "America is ready" for a female president, and I'm not entirely sure Clinton even wants the job. Democrats will likely get stuck with Joe Biden as their candidate. Would you rather have Biden or Christie?

edit: Biden is Roman Catholic, if that's any influence on your decision.

I think people are hammering him (assuming that he really did approve of the trafficgacking) for hypocrisy - the guy that says he's above the R-D battles sticking it to a mayor that declined to endorse him. Hypocrisy always puts blood in the water.

And I disagree with you about America being ready for a female president (really, didn't that go away with Thatcher's example?), I disagree as well that Biden is the likely candidate, and I disagree that it'll come down to Biden vs Christie. We should have learned from 2008 when Clinton and Giuliani didn't win the nominations (and Giuliani didn't come within spitting distance of it).

 

[Formaldehyde]

It is clear that many people will likely not ever be ready for a female president. But that certainly shouldn't be the case with any country that claims to be modern and secular.

 

[Kyriakos]

^It is more logical to want a good president, regardless of the gender. If you just elect one due to gender, race or other such qualities, it is rather a poor decision. So yeah, if a good politician happens to be female, then i would also support her being elected. But Hillary? She is just another ObamaBush.

 

[IglooDame]

In one sense, this could be good for Christie. He's already fired more people for this than have been fired for the botched healthcare.gov rollout, the IRS targeting scandal, and the seizure of Associated Press phone records combined.

 

[danjuno]

My point was nothing is inevitable. I loathe people being anointed, especially someone with as much baggage as Hillary. Look back at Jan 2006(The same point in this campaign) and see Barack Obama not even polling. Someone could really come up and bite her in the ass or at least not make it the coronation everyone in Washington and all the Clinton cronies want it to be.

True. I'll concede I took your point rather literally. Though it's worth noting Obama still had been making noise before he actually announced. It's not like he popped out of nowhere in February 2007.

 

[Formaldehyde]

^It is more logical to want a good president, regardless of the gender. If you just elect one due to gender, race or other such qualities, it is rather a poor decision. So yeah, if a good politician happens to be female, then i would also support her being elected. But Hillary? She is just another ObamaBush.

What an elegant strawman that anybody was arguing that she should be elected merely due to being a female, while even insinuating that both Clinton and Obama are just like Bush. That they can't possibly be "good presidents", unlike some other unspecified politicians.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I think people are hammering him (assuming that he really did approve of the trafficgacking) for hypocrisy - the guy that says he's above the R-D battles sticking it to a mayor that declined to endorse him. Hypocrisy always puts blood in the water.

Oh, that's not hypocrisy, that's just New York/New Jersey politics. Disagreements about principle can always be glossed over, disagreements about power are a different matter.

 

[Antilogic]

 

[downtown]

On that note, could you imagine if these goons actually had jobs in the NSA?

 

[Adjuvant]

On that note, could you imagine if these goons actually had jobs in the NSA?

That would certainly be something, if they suddenly sprouted credentials and got congressional approval.

edit: presuming you meant they got their position via Christie's appointment.