Churches

[Perfection]

1) Waste of time

2) No, complete lack of anything interesting.

3) While TLC's strippers sounds tempting I'm gonna have to go free money. After all, I can just sit here and enjoy strippers on my PC.

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Many churches in the centre of London hold free classical music recitals in ther lunch hour, and I've been to many of those.

I've also visited many churches because of the architecture. Rouen, in particular, appears to have more gothic churches than people - perhaps they were all just out of town that day....

Some churches are great for the relics - I remember seeing one skull in a church in France with the genuine skull of a saint (was it St Michel of Mont St Michel fame ? I'm not sure I can recall now) where God had told him to build a church, he didn't do it, and then God prodded him in the skull with His Finger, and said "I meant build it now!" And when the saint died, they found this hole in his skull. Amazing, eh ?

The magificent Chartres cathedral also has the genuine shawl as worn by Mary when she gave birth to Jesus! Even if it isn't genuine (and, to be honest, I do have my doubts) this piece of fabric has been venerated by churchgoers for a thousand years, and that makes it rather special even if was originally just a dishcloth.

That about covers my churchgoing. Oh, also an occasional marriage or a service of rememberance for a Christian friend or colleague. Is it controversial ? Well, some Christian colleagues did give me some hassle about repeatedly visiting churches when I had so clearly hardened my heart against Jesus and God - but I guess that's not the real meaning of the OP's questions....

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

1. It's a great idea to spend time with those who share your beliefs, yes.

2. I go every week, it serves as a great way to boost my spiritual attitude, plus I usually know a lot of people from church.

3. For everyone to join my religion. Realistically? Just for everyone believer or not to be able to understand that other people's perspectives can also be valid.

 

[The 777 Hoax]

1) What are your personal opinions/convictions about attending church?

2) Do you attend church? If you do, what is your motivation for doing so? If not, is there anything you especially dislike about churches in general?

3) What suggestions would you make to churches in your country? What would make church appealing to you personally?

1.) Pretty much what Eran of Arcadia said. I enjoy spending time with people who also believe in God, especially people my age.

2.) Yes, every week... see #1.

3.) Get more involved in the youth of the church. We are the future, you know.

 

[Inqvisitor]

1) What are your personal opinions/convictions about attending church?

Absolutely necessary for salvation through Jesus Christ.

2) Do you attend church? If you do, what is your motivation for doing so? If not, is there anything you especially dislike about churches in general?

Christ commands it. That would be enough motivation for anyone who claims to follow Christ. Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ is necessary for salvation.

3) What suggestions would you make to churches in your country? What would make church appealing to you personally?

Expel homosexual perverts and Modernists from the priesthood.

Restore the churches to the Catholic faithful.

 

[aussieboy]

1) I think church is one of the places where one can get a good moral education, and to experience the spiritual.

2) I go to church every Sunday (I am a Catholic), and am part of a youth service group meeting there every Thursday. I attend church, as it is a part of my identity, to praise God, to nourish, and because I believe that without the Church, I would have fallen to pieces. God is the one who helped me put my life back together.

3) A regular voice choir, instead of just a pianist and three middle-aged men, and more old-style chants. The expulsion of overtly homosexual priests. The option of a Latin Mass. To be more oriented into incresing the number of the faithful.

 

[GenMarshall]

Expel homosexual perverts and Modernists from the priesthood.

Restore the churches to the Catholic faithful.

Wow, kind of harsh comming from a Traditionalist Catholic. Homosexuals are welcomed into the doors of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is not some exclusive club for people without sin, its also a hospital for sinners too. I have meet and praying for a homosexual poster in a christian forum. I am not the only one who has been praying to this particular poster, Catholic posters also came in with warmth and encuragement for this particular poster and told him to trust in Jesus Christ. A Catholic should not have any unjust discrimination against Homosexuals since it is wrong to just blindly discriminate them.

I am not going to comment about the "modernist" priesthood, because I disagree with you on that statement and no amount of arguments from me would change your dead-set possition.

As for restoring the churches to the Catholic faithful. I doubt that would happen eventhough we are making good progress on improving relations with the Eastern Orthodox Church and Protestant Churches.

 

[GenMarshall]

The option of a Latin Mass

There are some parishes that offer Latin Mass as an option . There is a list somewhere on the internet, but I tend to be cautious to avoid any that are related to the SSPX or any sourt od Sedevacanist sites.

To be more oriented into incresing the number of the faithful.

This is what I also agree and also feel that the Catholic Church should also make an attemt to reach out to fallen away Lapsed Catholics and offer them a warm welcome back invintation to the Church .

 

[Inqvisitor]

CivGeneral, this topic keeps coming up in numerous places. Either start a new thread for this specific topic, or simply stop derailing every other thread into a discussion of Modernism and sedevacantism...

 

[GenMarshall]

CivGeneral, this topic keeps coming up in numerous places. Either start a new thread for this specific topic, or simply stop derailing every other thread into a discussion of Modernism and sedevacantism...

Why do you think I said:

I am not going to comment about the "modernist" priesthood, because I disagree with you on that statement and no amount of arguments from me would change your dead-set possition.

I simply grew tired of arguing with you and your "Traditionalist" views.




Moving along...

 

[skadistic]

Athiest formaly Irish/Roman catholic. I went to church for 15 years because I had no choice 5 of thoes were as an alter boy. I have been confirmed and that was the last mass I went to (except funerals). Catholic mass is a drag thats why I became an alter boy. Its more fun to watch all the sheep then to watch the shepard. Catholic mass is to much cerimony and not enough teaching out of an hour and a half 70 minuets is all show with no substance. I've been to a nondenominational church and it was 80% substance. I will not go to church again unless its a funeral of weding. I think if churches got away from the bs cerimony and dogmas and instead focused more on the message it would make for a better world.



Edit to add that youth group was the best thing that ever happened to me and it had nothing to do with religion.

 

[aussieboy]

Athiest formaly Irish/Roman catholic. I went to church for 15 years because I had no choice 5 of thoes were as an alter boy. I have been confirmed and that was the last mass I went to (except funerals). Catholic mass is a drag thats why I became an alter boy. Its more fun to watch all the sheep then to watch the shepard. Catholic mass is to much cerimony and not enough teaching out of an hour and a half 70 minuets is all show with no substance. I've been to a nondenominational church and it was 80% substance. I will not go to church again unless its a funeral of weding. I think if churches got away from the bs cerimony and dogmas and instead focused more on the message it would make for a better world.



Edit to add that youth group was the best thing that ever happened to me and it had nothing to do with religion.

not the way we have it here. most of the mass is the priest giving a damn good homily.

I have to agree with you on the sheep part, however. What makes me laugh is when ¼ of the congregation gets out the door when they get their communion.

 

[Smellincoffee]

1) What are your personal opinions/convictions about attending church?

2) Do you attend church? If you do, what is your motivation for doing so? If not, is there anything you especially dislike about churches in general?

3) What suggestions would you make to churches in your country? What would make church appealing to you personally?


1) If it makes people feel better, then they should by all means go. But I dislike going. I feel as if it's a waste of my time.

2.) Only because at the moment I'm staying at my parents house, waiting to move into my apartment. My parents force me to go to their church. This does not endear me to that church or their organization, which encourages parents not giving their children a choice in the matter.

3.) Church would have to start later and offer something other than being screamed at and telling God how good he is.

 

[Inqvisitor]

Why do you think I said:I simply grew tired of arguing with you and your "Traditionalist" views.

The point is though that you did comment, as you always do whenever you disagree with me on such an issue...

Athiest formaly Irish/Roman catholic. I went to church for 15 years because I had no choice 5 of thoes were as an alter boy. I have been confirmed and that was the last mass I went to (except funerals). Catholic mass is a drag thats why I became an alter boy. Its more fun to watch all the sheep then to watch the shepard. Catholic mass is to much cerimony and not enough teaching out of an hour and a half 70 minuets is all show with no substance. I've been to a nondenominational church and it was 80% substance. I will not go to church again unless its a funeral of weding. I think if churches got away from the bs cerimony and dogmas and instead focused more on the message it would make for a better world.



Edit to add that youth group was the best thing that ever happened to me and it had nothing to do with religion.

The "substance" of the Mass is receiving the actual Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ as He commanded all to do! That is the entire reason of going to church. If you want "teaching" you go to catechism class..

 

[aussieboy]

Well, Inqvisitor, we do both. Though the Mass's substance is the body and blood of Our Lord.

 

[Kozmos]

1) Boring. I frequently fall asleep in churhc during mass. Then I make funny comments on the account of priests. And finally after mass I go out and get absolutly smashed.

2) Rarely and that's only when my parents force me.

3) Turn it into a nuddy bar.

 

[skadistic]

The "substance" of the Mass is receiving the actual Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ as He commanded all to do! That is the entire reason of going to church. If you want "teaching" you go to catechism class..

Ritualistic canabalism doesnt take an hour and a half. There is more to chatholic mass then the eucarist.

 

[Inqvisitor]

Ritualistic canabalism doesnt take an hour and a half. There is more to chatholic mass then the eucarist.

No, that is the very essence of the Sacrament. All of the Mass is derived from the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ (the alter Christus factor). The other stuff is extra compared to receiving the very Body and Blood of Christ truly present in the Eucharist.

 

[GenMarshall]

No, that is the very essence of the Sacrament. All of the Mass is derived from the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ (the alter Christus factor). The other stuff is extra compared to receiving the very Body and Blood of Christ truly present in the Eucharist.

I thought it had to do with Transsubstiation in that the bread and wine turn into the actual blood and body of Christ .

 

[aussieboy]

I thought it had to do with Transsubstiation in that the bread and wine turn into the actual blood and body of Christ .

That is the point. It is transubstantiated into the very body and blood of Our Lord.