You know what might be worse than having the pacific represented by one leader? Hundred/Thousands of HRE entities being represented by one leader or dozens/hundreds of Indian states represented by three Indian nations or a dozen feuding Italian city states represented by a leader...
Civ Suggestion: Polynesia
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You know what might be worse than having the pacific represented by one leader? Hundred/Thousands of HRE entities being represented by one leader or dozens/hundreds of Indian states represented by three Indian nations or a dozen feuding Italian city states represented by a leader...
Or the hundreds of independent city states and kingdoms (incl. Macedon, Epirus, Thrace) represented by Greece, or the dozens of ancient Mesopotomian nations over the course of many thousands of years represented by one civ, or the thousands of diverse Native American cultures boiled down to just three...
I think Polynesia is the best non-post-colonial option for another minor civ. Brazil and maybe Argentina for something post-colonial are still better though.
blizzrd
Micromanager
No Dutch colony in New Zealand at any stage. Dutch explorers (Abel Tasman) were the first to sight New Zealand, they gave it a Dutch name (Staten Landt), but they did not settle - that was the British some 150 years or so later.
Peru (Inca), Gran Columbia, Brazil and Argentina for SA; Mexico (Aztec), USA and Canada for NA; West Africa (Mali), North Africa (Moors), Egypt, Ethiopia, Congo and South Africa for Africa; Australia for Oceania. That's what I think would be good.
If Leoreth were to add that many late-game civs, I would suggest a 1700AD scenario first. But that would be a pretty good-looking and very complete late game.
Pavel Chichikov
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Ok. But the Greeks, Mesopotamian peoples did have 1-tongue and/or mutually intelligable languages, most critically they were aware of each others existence.
I'm not sure this can be siad of the Pacific islands.
Hayastan/Armenia Sarkatvelo/Georgia yo!
ales_
Heir
I second the idea to keep them as an NPC like the Celts or Seljuks. I don't think we need a playable civ stretched out across the pacific, or to represent the Pacific islands as a unified empire, but a somewhat weak NPC would provide at least some resistance to European/American colonialism.
clark k
Chieftain
The problem is that part of the map is curretly empty. So i think adding a moderately weak polynesia is a good idea. It may not add alot to gameplay for all civs but if you are indonesia or a european colonial power...... And as far as them being NPC's thats okay but i really dont see a problem in making them payable for those who want a new challenge. if you dont want to use them than you dont have to. For me the main draw of DOC over the regular RFC is the extra civs. The more the merrier i say. Even if there are more deserving additions adding polynesia wont necessarily have to be done at the expense of others.
blizzrd
Micromanager
How is that a problem exactly?
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
Yeah, let's put in Atlantis to fill the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
I think Europe would settle it if there were no jungles, make them forests instead. Make some late spawning commerce resources or a corporation Tourism Industry that spreads geographically, like the silk route, and gives benefits based on total population of Empire.
The main problem I see with the area isn't that there isn't anything there, but that as a different civilization there is no reason to go there.
I think Europe would settle it if there were no jungles, make them forests instead. Make some late spawning commerce resources or a corporation Tourism Industry that spreads geographically, like the silk route, and gives benefits based on total population of Empire.
The main problem I see with the area isn't that there isn't anything there, but that as a different civilization there is no reason to go there.
archcapitalist
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why does there need to be something there? realistically there is still nothing there on the scale that would show up in civ. if you're playing indonesia or japan or something in the area, it really isn't going to affect you.
the only reason to include it is because it could be fun to play.
the only reason to include it is because it could be fun to play.
clark k
Chieftain
i guess having a full map is more of a personal preference. However loreth did say that one reason he added tibet was that there are 19 plots that are usually empty so i guess even he views large areas without a civ as something that could be addressed. And as far as hippo's atlantis comment i must admit it was funny but clearly thats not what i mean by empty space on the map. LOL
Pavel Chichikov
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This is just getting krazy now, I really think Leoreth has added almost every culturally unique and (the and is crucial) historically important Civ in history at this point.
I'm not suggesting, as they aren't implementable, but the only major ommitions at this point I can think of are (in order of feasibility and gameplay value):
The Caucasus Mountains - Armenia or Georgia
Proposed Russia-Split - Kievan Rus', later become Ukraine if survives
South-Eastern Europe - Bulgaria or Magyaria
North America - Cherokee (conditional)
Judea and Samaria - Israel
Northern Britain - Scotland
Playable Celts
Pre-Muslim Anatolia - Hittites or Pontus
East Africa - Swahili
...That's about all there is after a hard think, really.
...Derogatory Tibet comment*
I'm not suggesting, as they aren't implementable, but the only major ommitions at this point I can think of are (in order of feasibility and gameplay value):
The Caucasus Mountains - Armenia or Georgia
Proposed Russia-Split - Kievan Rus', later become Ukraine if survives
South-Eastern Europe - Bulgaria or Magyaria
North America - Cherokee (conditional)
Judea and Samaria - Israel
Northern Britain - Scotland
Playable Celts
Pre-Muslim Anatolia - Hittites or Pontus
East Africa - Swahili
...That's about all there is after a hard think, really.
...Derogatory Tibet comment*
- Covered by Turks, Russians, Persians, Arabs
- covered by Russia and Poland
- Covered by Greeks, Byzantines, Romans, Austrians
- can't be properly represented
- Lots of work for little gain
- covered by Vikings and English, lot of work to implement, potential to warp game badly
- better represented by spawning cities and barbs
- Covered by Persia and Greeks
- Covered by Ethiopia
Yeah, I get it
Cosmos1985
King
Well, since there already is something in place for other optional civs such as Poland, Kongo, Tibet etc., couldn't Polynesia just be added to that list, with the default being that it's not in the game, unless played by a human? Isn't everybody happy that way?
Locutus_Morti
Prince
Sure, thought I'd like to have them anyways (I'm thinking of American expansion into the Pacific), but just playable by humans works fine.
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