Civ Suggestion: Polynesia

[yurisusuki]

It's funny how this thread goes in cycles.

Rise and Fall of Civ Suggestion: Polynesia
A new game, A better game

 

[JiimBV]

P.S: everybody, please check post #241 first

aah awesome thank you. I like the plan very much so.

 

[awesome]

and, just because i can't sleep and this civ addition is pretty much hypothetical as it stands anyway, i found some leaderheads. this thread has salamasina and kamehameha i and this guy i'd name hotu matu'a, since tangaloa was a god.

Of course, if it's going to be a player only civ, only one leaderhead is necessary. I suggest salamasina, especially if the starting point is going to be Samoa, as someone suggested in this thread.

 

[ales_]

I'm still thinking that it shouldn't be player only but I see that I'm alone.

 

[Leoreth]

I'm still thinking that it shouldn't be player only but I see that I'm alone.

And I'm still not convinced of any benefit of an AI Polynesia.

 

[awesome]

I can see it being an ai civilization in the 1700 scenario with tons of cities already, but i can see what everyone means when they say that the computer won't know how to handle it fresh from the start. Unless the ai gets tons of free settlers and other free stuff.

 

[Leoreth]

But I also fail to see the point of having an AI city on every Polynesian island.

 

[ales_]

What's the point of a human-only civ?

 

[Leoreth]

I don't answer disingenuous questions.

 

[ales_]

It wasn't disingenuous. I just don't see the point.

 

[Leoreth]

That's your problem.

 

[ales_]

OK. But I would be very grateful if somebody would explain it to me.

 

[BenZL43]

Imagine AI Polynesia, AI Indonesia and AI Inca; 3000 BC or 600 AD scenario.

AI Indonesia sign open borders with AI Polynesia, and via Philippines or Papua, go explore the islands in Pacific Ocean and going East. Meanwhile, AI Inca also sign open borders with AI Polynesia and go explore the islands via Easter Island going west.

AI Inca could meet Indonesia, Khmer, China, Japan, India, Arab etc way before the supposed time; and AI Indonesia could meet Inca and Maya too!

Imagine the troubles?
However I fail to see any problem with AI Polynesia if it's for 1700AD only (with Kamehameha I at Hawaii)

 

[BenZL43]

Spoiler Washington Post, February 5th 2014 :

One of the most discussed and debated pieces of evidence that Pacific islanders may have sailed all the way to the Americas is a pile of chicken bones. Scientists found the bones in southern Chile and dated them, using a special radiocarbon method, to the 14th century. The bones belonged to an animal almost identical to chickens that, at the time, were found only in the Pacific Islands. This may have been the first American chicken, and it appeared to come from modern-day Polynesia.

Far north of Chile, in present-day Southern California, archaeologists found two indigenous tribes that used highly distinctive sewn-plank canoes around the year 700 A.D. At that time, that was highly advanced technology. It was also the same kind of boat used by Polynesians at the other end of the Pacific – and no one else. The archaeologists found other common traits, such as special grooved fishhooks, dated to about 1300 A.D.

There are even signs of possible journeys back: sweet potatoes, native to the Americans, were somehow planted in the Polynesian Cook Islands around 1000 A.D.
If Pacific Islanders really made these journeys, if they set out voluntarily on the same route that almost killed present-day Albarengo despite his many advantages, it demands two questions: how and why?

The "why" is as straightforward as it is tragic. Polynesians spread far and wide, over many centuries, partly because these islands were so ripe and untouched and partly because the explorers had a tendency to exhaust new islands of their resources quickly. Over-fishing, over-hunting and under-planting seemed to drive them ever outward.

The "how" has to do with the ancient Polynesians' remarkable bravery, their leaps in boat-making and navigation, as well as an assist from nature. Those ancient Pacific explorers would have been pushing against the prevailing tail winds, which travel from east to west. That was a challenge but also an insurance policy. As University of Auckland professor Geoff Irwin told National Geographic in 2008, "They could sail out for days into the unknown and reconnoiter, secure in the knowledge that if they didn't find anything, they could turn about and catch a swift ride home on the trade winds. It's what made the whole thing work." It's the same wind that Alvarenga may have ridden from Mexico to the Marshall Islands.

To jump from the Pacific Islands to the Americas would have been far beyond anything these explorers had done before, but not totally without precedent. The journey to Fiji, which is known to have been populated around 1100 B.C., is 500 miles from the nearest shore. Ancient Polynesian history is filled with these journeys: days or weeks in small wooden boats, with no compass and no sure knowledge that there would be land on the other side.

Interesting! Here's the link

 

[Leoreth]

However I fail to see any problem with AI Polynesia if it's for 1700AD only (with Kamehameha I at Hawaii)

I don't think there would be any (unsolvable) problems at all. I just don't see the point.

 

[archcapitalist]

OK. But I would be very grateful if somebody would explain it to me.

There's no point in having an ai Polynesia because the most realistic representation of what is in Polynesia is one or two cottages on those islands. A 1 pop city is really more than has ever existed there during the relevant part of the game

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[awesome]

I wonder how long it would take ai Polynesia to vassalize to the first ai it meets

 

[ales_]

Imagine AI Polynesia, AI Indonesia and AI Inca; 3000 BC or 600 AD scenario.

What will change if Polynesia is human?

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

What will change if Polynesia is human?

The human is expected to play unconventionally. It's essentially moot in that instance.

 

[ales_]

But the problem was about AI Indonesia and AI Inca. What will change if human Polynesia will open borders with them?