Civ VII civs

[krmarci]

why Roosevelt who kill Cubans and Native Americans deserve to be a leader and Barack Obama not?

Because Barack Obama is a modern politician who is alive, is still vividly remembered, and half of the population loves him while the other half hates him.

 

[Sirsquier]

The way this game is set, America just represented the white people. All the unique units and leaders in all Civilization series always shows just the white heritage in USA nation. Also, when I try to argue in this forum about the Native American heritage in USA, all user desagree with me, because they thought USA as a pure white society.
The civil war had black troops, it can be a Unique Unit. Black Panthers, Mahowak Rifle club, both can be units for USA. But not, that time is the Cowboys, last time the Minuteman, always just remember the white heritage of America. Also, all USA leaders was white, why Roosevelt who kill Cubans and Native Americans deserve to be a leader and Barack Obama not?

Obama is too recent to add to the game. If Abe Lincon was in Civ 7 I'd love to see him gain a UU biased off the black groups as he did indeed support this. However I feel discounting leaders like Teddy because they killed natives and Cubans is a bad idea. Natives constantly massacred each other as well as whites. It was a two-way street. Countries fight each other. Civilizations destroy each other. Natives did it, Asians did it, Whites did it, Blacks did it.

Also though there was native heritage in the USA, they were separate nations for a very long time. They fought each other and they traded.

Also the U.S.A.'s UU in Civ 6 is a plane so it could be any race. The minutemen had black people in them as well. America's UUs for the past two games have been a mix of blacks and whites.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The civil war had black troops, it can be a Unique Unit. Black Panthers, Mahowak Rifle club, both can be units for USA. But not, that time is the Cowboys, last time the Minuteman, always just remember the white heritage of America. Also, all USA leaders was white, why Roosevelt who kill Cubans and Native Americans deserve to be a leader and Barack Obama not?

The P-51 Mustang is based off of the planes the Tuskegee Airmen flew. They were African American and Caribbean-born pilots in World War II.

And Barack Obama is still alive. No official leader has been in a game when alive. Roosevelt is considered one of the greatest U.S. Presidents anyway.

 

[Morningcalm]

I think Abraham Lincoln for Civ VII is a safe choice (would prefer he be portrayed with his famously high voice, which is historically accurate).

I’m fond of John Adams (the second president), who was featured in the Civ: Colonization spin-off, and wouldn’t mind Teddy Roosevelt returning, but variety would be nice.

I would be happy not to see Thomas Jefferson (slavemaster who had a child with one of his slaves, and wanted the US to be more agricultural), and also happy not to see George Washington (a bit dull in his representations—if in future they make him soft-spoken and a good military leader I would think that better).

As for other Civ VII civs, I would like black horse civs like the Goths and Berbers, as well as some old favorites like Babylon and Greece (maybe led by Themistocles this time, since they can’t seem to do a historically accurate Pericles anymore).

 

[Henri Christophe]

Obama is too recent to add to the game. If Abe Lincon was in Civ 7 I'd love to see him gain a UU biased off the black groups as he did indeed support this. However I feel discounting leaders like Teddy because they killed natives and Cubans is a bad idea. Natives constantly massacred each other as well as whites. It was a two-way street. Countries fight each other. Civilizations destroy each other. Natives did it, Asians did it, Whites did it, Blacks did it.

Also though there was native heritage in the USA, they were separate nations for a very long time. They fought each other and they traded.

Also the U.S.A.'s UU in Civ 6 is a plane so it could be any race. The minutemen had black people in them as well. America's UUs for the past two games have been a mix of blacks and whites.

Native Americans don't fight each other since 1776.

short video about the last blow the 5 civilized tribes received by USA, by Rooselvelt.

If USA civ just can have white heritage as their features, why don't choice already Andrew Jackson, make it more sincere.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Native Americans don't fight each other since 1776.

In the War of 1812 the different Native Americans took the side of both the British and the Americans.

The Creeks had their own Civil war during that time period as well and the American government got involved with also the Cherokee and Choctaw.

Also during the Sioux Wars in the 1800s the Crow Shoshone sided with the U.S. as they were traditional enemies of the Sioux.

So no the Native Americans were not totally peaceful to each other after the U.S. gained their independence.

 

[Henri Christophe]

In the War of 1812 the different Native Americans took the side of both the British and the Americans.

WASP just have one ally in USA, the Iroquois. After American Revolution even the Iroquois become enemies of the whites.
As I know, in the early 1800 start in all Western world the idea of nations, George Washigton think in the White nation of Americas, Jean Jaques Dessalines think in the Black nation of Americas and Tecumseh will think about the Native-American nation of Americas.

Tecumseh finally united all Native-Nations of North-West, but will fail to ally himself with the 5 civilized tribes of the south, but they don't fight with guns.

The Creeks had their own Civil war during that time period as well and the American government got involved with also the Cherokee and Choctaw.

That is right, during the civil war Oklahoma was divided as all USA.

Also during the Sioux Wars in the 1800s the Crow Shoshone sided with the U.S. as they were traditional enemies of the Sioux.

OK, in far west the wars inside Native Nations just over after the Louisiana Purchase. Not in 1776 as I said, sorry.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Here is my list of what to expect by regions:

Americas:
America
Argentina
Aztec
Brazil
Canada
Gran Colombia
Haida
Inca
Iroquois
Mapuche
Maya
Muisca
Navajo


Europe:
Austria (Maria Theresa)
Byzantines
England (Elizaeth I and Victoria)
Denmark (Margaret I)
Dutch
France (Louis XIV and Napoleon)
Gaul
Germany
Greece (lead by Pericles and Alexander)
Ireland
Italy (Florence and Venice led)
Macedon
Norway (Viking Civ)
Portugal
Rome
Romania (Vlad Tepes)
Russia (Catherine and Lenin)
Spain (Isabella and Phillip II)
Sweden

Asia:
Arabia
Assyria
Babylon
China
Georgia
Japan
India (Ashoka and Gandhi)
Indonesia
Khmer
Korea
Mongolia
Mughals (Akbar from Lahore)
Ottomans
Persia
Phoenicia
Scythia
Siam
Sumer
Vietnam

Africa:
Benin
Carthage (lead by Hannibal and Dido)
Egypt
Ethiopia
Kongo
Mali
Morocco
Nubia
Numidia
Swahili
Zulu

Oceania:
Australia
Maori (non wayfinding Polynesia culture)
Samoa (wayfinding)

Edit: changed out Hungary for Romania

 

[The Civs 6]

Unfortunately I think talking about Civ 7 is pointless. The idea of a pass suggests to me that they are going to ride Civ 6 as long as humanly possible. At the very least I wouldn't expect 7 out for at least 2 years after the last content is released for 6. So thinking about civs for 7 seems truly speculative for now.

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

should at least one Muslim civ be present on the base game to represent the muslim world/religion ? and also there should be a non Carthage maghreb civ ?

I consider Egypt and Persia to be geographically Muslim, if not actually religiously in the period they'd be mainly drawn from. But my scheme is not intended to exclude. The Arabians and Ottomans make the most sense in the expansion specifically dedicated to fleshing out the religious game. Judea too would work better there, but I tried to avoid geographical overlap (it's bad enough I have Byzantium and the Ottomans in the same expansion); thus trying to avoid Judea and Outremer in the same pack. Ultimately I went with Judea in the base game because they have been conspicuously excluded for decades now, and are the civilization most in need of finally being represented.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Unfortunately I think talking about Civ 7 is pointless. The idea of a pass suggests to me that they are going to ride Civ 6 as long as humanly possible. At the very least I wouldn't expect 7 out for at least 2 years after the last content is released for 6. So thinking about civs for 7 seems truly speculative for now.

I agree, Civ 6 can improve way more doing more civs than doing a totaly new game.
To do a new game need to change some features, what features can change in Civ 7? I don't have any idea.

 

[Codeword Iroquois]

Base Game: 20 civs
America
Aztec
Babylon
China
Egypt
England
France
Germany
Greece (2 Leaders)
India
Japan
Rome
Russia
Swahili
Timurids
Bulgaria
Celts
Brazil
Spain
Denmark
Pre-order: Ethiopia



DLC:7 Civs
Straits of Malacca: Pagan and Indonesia
Peacemakers: Australia and Canada
Cutting the Gordion Knot: Macedon and Persia
End of Days: Maya

X-Pack 1:9 civs, 1 alt
Zulu
Arabia
Korea
Poland
Gran Colombia
Ireland
Apache
Muisca
Kingdom of Zimbabwe
English Alt

X-Pack2:9 civs, 1 alt
Mongolia
Ottoman
Nubian
Mapuche
Dutch
Inca
Portugal
Tunis
Cree
Chinese Alt

X-Pack 3 or Season Pass:9 civs, 1 alt
Iroquois
Hungary
Austria
Sweden
Songhai
Morocco
Tibet
Armenia
Madagascar
French Alt

Alt Leader Pack: 10 Alt Leaders
America
India
Arabia
Sweden
Russia
Rome
Egypt
Mongolia
Ottoman

 

[dark-mysterio]

I consider Egypt and Persia to be geographically Muslim, if not actually religiously in the period they'd be mainly drawn from. But my scheme is not intended to exclude. The Arabians and Ottomans make the most sense in the expansion specifically dedicated to fleshing out the religious game. Judea too would work better there, but I tried to avoid geographical overlap (it's bad enough I have Byzantium and the Ottomans in the same expansion); thus trying to avoid Judea and Outremer in the same pack. Ultimately I went with Judea in the base game because they have been conspicuously excluded for decades now, and are the civilization most in need of finally being represented.

ok thanks

 

[krmarci]

Base game: 20 civs, 23 leaders

1. Aztec - Montezuma
2. Babylonia - Hammurabi
3. Brazil - Pedro II
4. China - Qin Shi Huang
5. Egypt - Ramesses II
6. England - Alfred the Great & Victoria
7. Germany - Otto I
8. Greece - Pericles & Leonidas
9. Hungary - Árpád
10. India - Gandhi
11. Japan - ???
12. Persia - Darius I
13. Poland - Bolesław I
14. Rome - Julius Caesar
15. Russia - Catherine
16. Spain - ???
17. Sweden - Gustavus Adolphus
18. Turkey - Suleiman I & Kemal Atatürk
19. USA - George Washington
20. Zulu - Shaka

DLC Pack I: 9 civs, 10 leaders

1. Assyria - ???
2. Bulgaria - Simeon I
3. Canada - ???
4. Ethiopia - Menelik II
5. France - Charlemagne & Napoleon
6. Inca - Pachacuti
7. Indonesia - ???
8. Lithuania - Gediminas
9. Mongolia - Genghis Khan

DLC Pack II: 11 civs, 9 leaders

1. Arabia - Saladin
2. Denmark & Norway & Sweden - Margaret I
3. Gran Colombia - Simón Bolívar
4. Korea - ???
5. Macedonia - Alexander the Great
6. Maori - ???
7. Morocco - ???
8. Portugal - ???
9. Sioux - ???

DLC Pack III: 10 civs, 9 leaders

1. Austria & Hungary - Franz Joseph
2. Byzantium - Justinian I
3. Hunnic - Attila
4. Kongo - ???
5. Maya - ???
6. Ostrogothic - Theodoric
7. Scotland - James IV
8. Siam - ???
9. Sumeria - Gilgamesh

Leader Packs:

1. European Integration: Charles de Gaulle (France) and Konrad Adenauer (Germany)
2. Baroque Courts: Louis XIV (France) and Peter the Great (Russia)
3. National Unification: Giuseppe Garibaldi (Italy) and Otto von Bismarck (Germany)
4. Canadian First Nations: ??? (Inuit) and ??? (Cree)
5. Native Americans: ??? (Navajo) and ??? (Iroquois)

Probably some others as well, I'm not familiar enough with non-Euro-American history to find other packs.

Civs that didn't fit into any of the packs, even though I want to see them:

• Switzerland - ???
• Netherlands - William of Orange (1533-1584)
• Papal State - ???
• Moravia - Svatopluk
• Croatia - ???
• Kievan Rus - ???
• Khazars OR Scythia - ???
• Phoenicia - ???

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Decided to modify my earlier list again

Base Game (30)
USA - Lincoln
Aztecs - Montezuma
Maya - Lady Six Sky
Inca - Pachacuti
Argentina - Eva Peron
Brazil - Pedro II
Phoenicia - Dido
Mali - Musa Keita
Egypt - Hatshepsut
Achaemenids - Cyrus the Great
Babylon - Hammurabi
Arabia - Marwan I of the Umayyads
Rome - Hadrian
England - Elizabeth I
Spain - Isabella
Russia - Catherine the Great
Greece - Alexander the Great
Poland - Jadwiga
Mongolia - Genghis Khan
Georgia - Tamar the Great
Timurids - Timur
Mughals - Akbar the Great
Chola - Rajaraja Chola
Ghaznavids - Sabuktigin
China - Yongle
Korea - Gwanggaeto the Great
Japan - Tokugawa
Australia - John Curtin
Maori - Hongi Hika
Hawai’i - Kamehameha the Great

DLC Round 1 (10)
France - Louis XIV
Assyria - Ashurbanipal
Ethiopia - Zara Yakob
Byzantium - Theodora
Sioux - Sitting Bull
Maurya - Ashoka the Great
Philippines - Emilio Aguinaldo
Majapahit - Gitarja
Salish - Chief Seattle
Colombia - Simon Bolivar

Expansion 1 (10)
Akkad: Sargon
Berbers: Dihya
Portugal: Maria I
Germany: Bismarck
Mapuche: Lautaro
Ottomans: Mehmed II
Denmark: Cnut the Great
Seljuks: Malik-Shah I
Tonga: Momo
Khmer: Suryavarman II

Round 2 (10)
Angola: Ana Nzinga
Austria: Maria Theresa
Netherlands: Wilhelmina
Vietnam: Trung Trac
Kilwa/Swahili: Ali bin-al Hassan
Sweden: Gustavus Adolphus
Sassanids: Khosrow II
Armenia: Tigranes the Great
Iroquois: Jigonhsasee
Burma: Anawrahta

Expansion 2 (7 new civs and 3 alt leaders)
Benin: Ewuare
Hittites: Mutuwalli II
Navajo: Barboncito
Mutapa: Nyanhewe Matope
Sapmi: Isak Saba
Switzerland: Guillame Henri Dufour
Yemen: Arwa al-Sulayhi
Rome alt: Augustus Caesar
China alt: Wudi
Egypt alt: Ramses the Great

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I thought it would be an interesting idea to think of a civ game which kinda follows in the footsteps of Super Smash Bros Ultimate, in that it brings back every civ that existed in past games, with exclusions or modifications to civs or leaders that were poor choices, and a maximum of 2 leader options for civs which have had more than 2 possible leaders. I also made the assumption that this game would have dynamic city lists, so civs with a lot of city lists would accomodate each other by not founding the same city as another civ, even if the city itself has a different name. It would also have a set of new civs and leaders, italicized in this list. Note that I have included civs/leaders which I perceive as likely to be added to Civ 6 in NFP or later, but are still italicized for the sake of consistency.

1. America — Abraham Lincoln and George Washington
2. Achaemenids — Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great
3. Afghanistan — Ahmad Shah Duranni
4. Angola — Ana Nzinga
5. Arabia — Harun al-Rashid and Shajar al-Durr
6. Assyria — Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib
7. Australia — John Curtin
8. Austria — Maria Theresa
9. Aztecs — Montezuma I
10. Babylon — Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar
11. Benin — Ewuare
12. Berbers — Dihya
13. Burma — Anawrahta
14. Brazil — Pedro II
15. Britons — Boudicca
16. Byzantines — Alexios Komnenos and Theodora
17. Canada — Wilfred Laurier
18. Champa — Prakasadharma
19. China — Wu Zetian and Yongle
20. Chola — Rajaraja Chola and Rajendra Chola
21. Coast Salish — Chief Seattle
22. Cree — Poundmaker
23. Denmark — Margaret (a new leader was chosen as to avoid thematic overlap)
24. Egypt — Cleopatra and Ramses the Great
25. England — Elizabeth I and Richard the Lionheart
26. Ethiopia — Zara Yaqob and Menelik II
27. France — Louis XIV *
28. Gauls — Brennus and Vercingatorix
29. Germany — Otto Von Bismarck *
* = Charlemagne is an alt-leader for both France and Germany
30. Georgia — Tamar the Great
31. Ghaznavids — Sabuktigin
32. Goths — Theodoric
33. Gran Colombia — Simón Bolívar
34. Greece — Pericles and Gorgo
35. Haiti — Touissant L’overture
36. Hawaii — Kamehameha the Great
37. Hittites — Puduhepa
38. Hungary — Matthias Corvinus
39. Huns — Atilla
40. Inca — Pachacuti and Huayna Capac
41. Indonesia — Gitarja and Dapunta Hyang
42. Ireland — Brian Boru
43. Iroquois — Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee
44. Japan — Oda Nobunaga and Meiji
45. Khmer — Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII
46. Kongo — Mvemba a Nzinga
47. Korea — Sejong and Gwanggaeto
48. Mali — Musa Keita
49. Maori — Honga Hika
50. Mapuche — Lautaro
51. Maurya — Ashoka and Chandragupta
52. Maya — Pacal and Lady Six Sky
53. Mongolia — Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan
54. Morocco — Ahmad al-Mansur
55. Mughals — Akbar and Nur Jahan
56. Navajo — Manuelito
57. Norway — Harald Hardrada
58. Nubia — Aminatore
59. Oman — Said bin Sultan
60. Ottomans — Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent
61. Phoenicians — Dido and Hannibal Barca
62. Poland — Jadwiga and Casimir the Great
63. Portugal — Joao II
64. Rome — Augustus Caesar and Hadrian
65. Russia — Catherine the Great and Peter the Great
66. Safavids — Abbas I
67. Sapmi: Isak Saba
68. Scotland — Robert the Bruce
69. Scythia — Tomyris
70. Seljuks — Malik-Shah I
71. Sioux — Sitting Bull
72. Shoshone — Pocatello
73. Shona — Nyatsimba Mutota
74. Songhai — Askia Mohammed
75. Soviet Union — Lenin
76. Spain — Isabella and Phillip II
77. Swahili — Al-Hasan ibn Suleiman
78. Sumer — Gilgamesh
79. Sweden — Gustavus Adolphus
80. Taino — Anacoana
81. Timurids — Timur
82. Thailand — Ramkhanhaeng and Narai
83. Tonga — Momo
84. Tuscany — Mathilda
85. Venice — Erico Dandolo
86. Vietnam — Ngo Quyen
87. Yemen — Arwa al-Sulyahi
88. Zulu — Shaka and Cetshwayo
89. Muisca — Nemenque
90. Purepecha — Eréndira
91. Guarani — Sepe Tiaraju
92. Argentina — Eva Perón
93. Lan Xang/Laos — Setthathirath
94. Ghana — Kaya Magan Cisse
95. Macedon — Alexander the Great
96. Madagascar — Ranavalona
97. Ashanti— Osei Kofi Tutu

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I thought it would be an interesting idea to think of a civ game which kinda follows in the footsteps of Super Smash Bros Ultimate, in that it brings back every civ that existed in past games, with exclusions or modifications to civs or leaders that were poor choices, and a maximum of 2 leader options for civs which have had more than 2 possible leaders. I also made the assumption that this game would have dynamic city lists, so civs with a lot of city lists would accomodate each other by not founding the same city as another civ, even if the city itself has a different name. It would also have a set of new civs and leaders, italicized in this list. Note that I have included civs/leaders which I perceive as likely to be added to Civ 6 in NFP or later, but are still italicized for the sake of consistency.

1. America — Abraham Lincoln and George Washington
2. Achaemenids — Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great
3. Afghanistan — Ahmad Shah Duranni
4. Angola — Ana Nzinga
5. Arabia — Harun al-Rashid and Shajar al-Durr
6. Assyria — Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib
7. Australia — John Curtin
8. Austria — Maria Theresa
9. Aztecs — Montezuma I
10. Babylon — Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar
11. Benin — Ewuare
12. Berbers — Dihya
13. Burma — Anawrahta
14. Brazil — Pedro II
15. Britons — Boudicca
16. Byzantines — Alexios Komnenos and Theodora
17. Canada — Wilfred Laurier
18. Champa — Prakasadharma
19. China — Wu Zetian and Yongle
20. Chola — Rajaraja Chola
21. Coast Salish — Chief Seattle
22. Cree — Poundmaker
23. Denmark — Margaret (a new leader was chosen as to avoid thematic overlap)
24. Egypt — Cleopatra and Ramses the Great
25. England — Elizabeth II and Richard the Lionheart
26. Ethiopia — Zara Yaqob and Menelik II
27. France — Louis XIV *
28. Gauls — Brennus and Vercingatorix
29. Germany — Otto Von Bismarck *
* = Charlemagne is an alt-leader for both France and Germany
30. Georgia — Tamar the Great
31. Ghaznavids — Sabuktigin
32. Goths — Theodoric
33. Gran Colombia — Simón Bolívar
34. Greece — Pericles and Alexander the Great
35. Haiti — Touissant L’overture
36. Hawaii — Kamehameha the Great
37. Hittites — Puduhepa
38. Hungary — Matthias Corvinus
39. Huns — Atilla
40. Inca — Pachacuti and Huayna Capac
41. Indonesia — Gitarja and Dapunta Hyang
42. Ireland — Brian Boru
43. Iroquois — Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee
44. Japan — Oda Nobunaga and Meiji
45. Khmer — Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII
46. Kongo — Mvemba a Nzinga
47. Korea — Sejong and Gwanggaeto
48. Mali — Musa Keita
49. Maori — Honga Hika
50. Mapuche — Lautaro
51. Maurya — Ashoka and Chandragupta
52. Maya — Pacal and Lady Six Sky
53. Mongolia — Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan
54. Morocco — Ahmad al-Mansur
55. Mughals — Akbar and Nur Jahan
56. Navajo — Manuelito
57. Norway — Harald Hardrada
58. Nubia — Aminatore
59. Oman — Said bin Sultan
60. Ottomans — Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent
61. Phoenicians — Dido and Hannibal Barca
62. Poland — Jadwiga and Casimir the Great
63. Portugal — Joao II
64. Rome — Augustus Caesar and Hadrian
65. Russia — Catherine the Great and Peter the Great
66. Safavids — Abbas I
67. Sapmi: Isak Saba
68. Scotland — Robert the Bruce
69. Scythia — Tomyris
70. Seljuks — Malik-Shah I
71. Sioux — Sitting Bull
72. Shoshone — Pocatello
73. Shona — Nyatsimba Mutota
74. Songhai — Askia Mohammed
75. Soviet Union — Lenin
76. Spain — Isabella and Phillip II
77. Swahili — Al-Hasan ibn Suleiman
78. Sumer — Gilgamesh
79. Sweden — Gustavus Adolphus
80. Taino — Anacoana
81. Timurids — Timur
82. Thailand — Ramkhanhaeng
83. Tonga — Momo
84. Tuscany — Mathilda
85. Venice — Erico Dandolo
86. Vietnam — Ngo Quyen
87. Yemen — Arwa al-Sulyahi
88. Zulu — Shaka and Cetshwayo

Almost 90 civs and no Muisca or Argentina?
Also if we can have different Persias surely we can have a separate Macedon again.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Almost 90 civs and no Muisca or Argentina?
Also if we can have different Persias surely we can have a separate Macedon again.

duly noted, let me edit and fix that

 

[Xandinho]

Almost 90 civs and no Muisca or Argentina?
Also if we can have different Persias surely we can have a separate Macedon again.

duly noted, let me edit and fix that

Also no Ashanti and Madagascar on the list . I think they both have very real chances of becoming civs in Civ7, especially Madagascar, given their empty TSL, their outstanding female leader (Ranavalona I) and it's a constant fan request here.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Also no Ashanti and Madagascar on the list . I think they both have very real chances of becoming civs in Civ7, especially Madagascar, given their empty TSL, their outstanding female leader (Ranavalona I) and it's a constant fan request here.

fixed