Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[Eagle Pursuit]

I mean, there's nothing to suggest she doesn't have a persona.

Himiko is poorly attested in historical records but fairly popular in Japanese pop culture. I'm afraid that there might not be enough historical references for two personae and the second would end up being something very pop culture.

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Himiko is poorly attested in historical records but fairly popular in Japanese pop culture. I'm afraid that there might not be enough historical references for two personae and the second would end up being something very pop culture.

There's a lot of manga inspired mods for civ 6 so I think there's a market for a pop culture leaders in civ.

 

[j51]

There's a lot of manga inspired mods for civ 6 so I think there's a market for a pop culture leaders in civ.

Oh no! Let’s hope Firaxis never feeds that beast what clogs up mod library searches and makes finding decent mods such a chore.

 

[untitledjuan]

My guess would be Sor Juana, since many of the other potential leaders are already Revolucionarios.

Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz would be an awesome choice to represent the historical bridge between Spain and Mexico, as well as a cultural leader that could be paired up with Spain>Mexico without going with cliché and modern characters such as Frida Kahlo.

It also makes room for a revolutionary Latin American leader such as Simón Bolívar or José de San Martín.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

There's a lot of manga inspired mods for civ 6 so I think there's a market for a pop culture leaders in civ.

I mean I don't hate anime personally but please not in civ. I just hope that "Retro Himiko" was just a nod to someone else's fanart, and not a hint for Modern Anime Himiko persona and Retro Shaman Queen Himiko.

 

[gdr_willter]

I mean I don't hate anime personally but please not in civ. I just hope that "Retro Himiko" was just a nod to someone else's fanart, and not a hint for Modern Anime Himiko persona and Retro Shaman Queen Himiko.

Well, I'll rather choose Yamatai Himiko and Tenno Himiko for her personas. Not because of mass media like anime, just for her historical part and symbolic part.

As a historical queen of Yamatai, she was not an actual ancestor of Japanese Emperors. She was just a leader of the strongest faction within the ancient Japan. Under her reign, Yamatai ruled the small states and became the first Japanese faction which introduced itself to the regional diplomacy of East Asia. But it slowly replaced with the successors, so Himiko's legacy was transferred to the another families: finally the Emperors of Japan.

On the other hand, after the concept of "eternal blood line of Emperors" established, the historians need to prove that the every rulers of ancient Japan had blood ties with nowadays Emperor. Himiko didn't, so they decided to remove her story. Her reign and legacy partially handed over to fictional Emperors - especially Empress Jingu, who become a symbolic icon of the Japanese expansion. But ironically, this decision unintentionally caused the result that Himiko become very famous in modern Japan. She never was an Empress(Tenno) nor a family of the Emperors, but later people made her the Empress and the ancestor of them. Tenno Himiko may be a good expression of Japanese Emperors, dodging the controversial modern Emperors.

 

[AriochIV]

Since there seems to be some debate among historians as to whether Himiko actually existed, getting fussy about "historical" details seems silly.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

How many leader reveals are left?

 

[Siptah]

How many leader reveals are left?

6. Napoleon, Himko, Friedrich, Catherine and two unknown ones. Napoleon and two others of them will have a second persona.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

On the other hand, after the concept of "eternal blood line of Emperors" established, the historians need to prove that the every rulers of ancient Japan had blood ties with nowadays Emperor. Himiko didn't, so they decided to remove her story. Her reign and legacy partially handed over to fictional Emperors - especially Empress Jingu, who become a symbolic icon of the Japanese expansion. But ironically, this decision unintentionally caused the result that Himiko become very famous in modern Japan. She never was an Empress(Tenno) nor a family of the Emperors, but later people made her the Empress and the ancestor of them. Tenno Himiko may be a good expression of Japanese Emperors, dodging the controversial modern Emperors.

Yeah, honestly wouldn't mind something like this. If we get a "modern pop culture" Himiko persona, this idea could work.

 

[gdr_willter]

Since there seems to be some debate among historians as to whether Himiko actually existed, getting fussy about "historical" details seems silly.

The debates were not about existence (cross checked by multiple records from China and Korea), those were about "why Himiko removed from Japanese record?" and "what can we know more about Himiko?"

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Yeah, honestly wouldn't mind something like this. If we get a "modern pop culture" Himiko persona, this idea could work.

It would also make some sense for a specifically modern interpretation of Himiko to be unlocking and leading a specifically modern Japan, though that doesn't mean much.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

With eight Game-Guideless Modern civs and four weeks (not counting launch) left, I believe we'll be getting a Game Guide every Tuesday and Thursday going forward. I'd expect the Thursday ones to be tied to Leader First Looks, (Himiko + Meiji, Fredrick + Prussia/Germany, Catherine + Russia, etc,) but I'm not sure exactly how many leader First Looks we should be expecting. Does Napoleon get one, or does the status as a 2K account bonus make him not count? If he does count, we might even need multiple First Looks in a week or two. Either way, I think it'll be a pretty packed news month.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Does Napoleon get one, or does the status as a 2K account bonus make him not count? If he does count, we might even need multiple First Looks in a week or two. Either way, I think it'll be a pretty packed news month.

We got one with Julius Caesar for Civ 6, so I'd be surprised if he doesn't get one eventually.

 

[Luxerne]

Listening to the Modern Age stream again, the way that Sarah says "at launch, 31 civs, and our leader count will be 26 at launch, including 5 personas" makes me think that, sadly, Tecumseh and Napoleon both count toward that roster of 21 unique leaders, since, otherwise, she'd have counted the Shawnee separately from the 30 base game civs.

So, if my theory stands that they tried to separate the 21 leaders equally by era, it's unlikely we'll see another leader tied to the Exploration era. No Genghis, no Timur, etc...

This does still leave at least two modern leaders in addition to Friedrich and Catherine. I still think they'll go for a modern African leader to round out what is otherwise a very Western lineup, and Shaka seems like a likely choice. That last leader really could be anyone. Gandhi? A Siamese leader? A British leader? Somebody unlinked to any civ?

Well, if it were my choice, I'd love to see a Mexican leader.

 

[Zaarin]

Listening to the Modern Age stream again, the way that Sarah says "at launch, 31 civs, and our leader count will be 26 at launch, including 5 personas" makes me think that, sadly, Tecumseh and Napoleon both count toward that roster of 21 unique leaders, since, otherwise, she'd have counted the Shawnee separately from the 30 base game civs.

That makes sense given the Shawnee were also counted towards the civ total.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Listening to the Modern Age stream again, the way that Sarah says "at launch, 31 civs, and our leader count will be 26 at launch, including 5 personas" makes me think that, sadly, Tecumseh and Napoleon both count toward that roster of 21 unique leaders, since, otherwise, she'd have counted the Shawnee separately from the 30 base game civs.

So, if my theory stands that they tried to separate the 21 leaders equally by era, it's unlikely we'll see another leader tied to the Exploration era. No Genghis, no Timur, etc...

This does still leave at least two modern leaders in addition to Friedrich and Catherine. I still think they'll go for a modern African leader to round out what is otherwise a very Western lineup, and Shaka seems like a likely choice. That last leader really could be anyone. Gandhi? A Siamese leader? A British leader? Somebody unlinked to any civ?

Well, if it were my choice, I'd love to see a Mexican leader.

What was the order of leaders revealed?

 

[uppi]

This does still leave at least two modern leaders in addition to Friedrich and Catherine. I still think they'll go for a modern African leader to round out what is otherwise a very Western lineup, and Shaka seems like a likely choice. That last leader really could be anyone. Gandhi? A Siamese leader? A British leader? Somebody unlinked to any civ?

If Friedrich and Catherine are in, plus Napoleon, we have enough modern age European leaders already. A second South-/Mesoamerican leader would be good, but I don't think we'll get one at this point. Africa would be covered by Shaka. So that leaves Asia for the last leader. Could be Gandhi, but as most of the other modern leaders are quite traditional choices, I expect another curveball (hard to predict who it is, though).

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Modern Indian leader who isn't Gandhi? Rabindranath Tagore!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If Friedrich and Catherine are in, plus Napoleon, we have enough modern age European leaders already. A second South-/Mesoamerican leader would be good, but I don't think we'll get one at this point. Africa would be covered by Shaka. So that leaves Asia for the last leader. Could be Gandhi, but as most of the other modern leaders are quite traditional choices, I expect another curveball (hard to predict who it is, though).

My mind keeps going toward Central/South Asian like a Mughal Emperor which could link the Middle East with Mongolia and India. I could easily see Shaka for Africa.