Civ6's First Expansion: Who would you include?

[Zaarin]

So, if they added Powhatan, Vercingetorix and a Tiglath-Pileser III, would you enable Australia?

You mean if they all came in the same DLC or expansion? Of course. I'm not a fan of Alexander, either (and I'm extraordinarily frustrated that he has literally showed up in every game I've played since the release of that DLC), but I keep him around because I'm a huge fan of Persia. But since Australia was released on its own, disabling it is a no-brainer for me. I was actually feeling a little bit cheated before Nubia and the SEA DLC were released, though.

Well, if anything is the theme of Civ6...

Another civ which might be DLC is the Zulus. Being such a staple, they might bank on the fact that people will buy them because of course they have to. However, since some people *cough Zaarin cough* don't like them, they might sneak them in with an expansion pack so they have no choice in the matter.

I'm not alone in disliking the Zulu as a rather Anglocentric choice, but to be honest I feel far less strongly about them than I do about second-tier modern nations like Australia and Brazil. (Doesn't help that in-game Pedro is an insufferable jerk and Curtin has one of the worst models in the game. Or that both of them have obnoxious themes.)

 

[Xandinho]

@Kimiimaro @Xandinho I'm not sure I would have ever been ecstatic about Australia--but then I'm probably among the few who would be completely okay with no colonies, including the US. But yeah, having Australia before the rest of the world gets filled in definitely feels like rubbing salt in the wound. If we must have more European colonies in the expansions, though, I think I'd favor Canada, especially if it's early Canada rather than modern.

What worries me most about an inclusion of Canada is that it would certainly come with cultural bombs, and I hate cultural bombs .

Doesn't help that in-game Pedro is an insufferable jerk and Curtin has one of the worst models in the game. Or that both of them have obnoxious themes.)

What a horrible fact, Pedro was very intelligent in real life. But the game preferred to portray him as an idiot

 

[Morningcalm]

And to my knowledge, Pedro didn't hate others who were focused on intellectual activity--quite the opposite. Pedro should be pleased with those who pursue Great People, not the opposite.

 

[Xandinho]

Exactly, his agenda does not make the slightest sense. As an admirer of the science, culture and great people, Pedro should like and be satisfied with those who focused in many great people, not the opposite.

 

[Kimiimaro]

I think we can all agree that Pedro from Civ V had much better portrayal.

Or that both of them have obnoxious themes.

What? Obnoxious? Sure, they may be "weaker" *cough* they aren't *cough* but I still wouldn't call them obnoxious.

 

[Phrozen]

I'm not alone in disliking the Zulu as a rather Anglocentric choice, but to be honest I feel far less strongly about them than I do about second-tier modern nations like Australia and Brazil. (Doesn't help that in-game Pedro is an insufferable jerk and Curtin has one of the worst models in the game. Or that both of them have obnoxious themes.)

It is a reasonable choice to represent far southern Africa without using the Boers or modern nation of South Africa.

 

[Vahnstad]

a modern nation of South Africa would be absolute horror, but yeah Nelson Mandela would most likely be their leader.

 

[God of Kings]

a modern nation of South Africa would be absolute horror, but yeah Nelson Mandela would most likely be their leader.

Mandela died too recently.

 

[Zaarin]

What? Obnoxious? Sure, they may be "weaker" *cough* they aren't *cough* but I still wouldn't call them obnoxious.

I really like Brazil's Ancient Theme; it's Medieval Theme is...okay. Brazil's Industrial and Atomic Themes are so bouncy that they get grating after a while, however. As for "Waltzing Matilda," it's an obnoxious song in any context. On the whole I do love Civ6's soundtrack, though.

It is a reasonable choice to represent far southern Africa without using the Boers or modern nation of South Africa.

True enough, and I'm not knowledgeable enough about Subsaharan Africa to suggest an alternative. I just don't care for them because their significance seems to chiefly come from their antagonism to Britain, much like the Sioux and America.

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

On the note of the Sioux, I wouldn't be surprised if Sitting Bull came back. As I've said, name recognition seems to be important to Civ6's designers.

 

[Zaarin]

On the note of the Sioux, I wouldn't be surprised if Sitting Bull came back. As I've said, name recognition seems to be important to Civ6's designers.

Including such household names as Scythia, Tomyris, Nubia, Amanitore, John Curtin, Gorgo, Catherine de Medici, Gitarja, Jayavarman VII, Khmer, Jadwiga, Mvemba a Nzinga, Frederick Barbarossa, and Hojo Tokimune... Civ6 has given me reason to hope we won't see the stereotyped and overdone Sioux and will actually get a well-deserved dark horse for Native North America.

(I mean, I get what you're saying: amid all those obscure names you also have Victoria, Cleopatra, Teddy Roosevelt, and so forth. But given just how many surprising choices the Civ6 dev team has made, I'm hopeful that they'll make a more interesting choice for a Native American civ than the Sioux.)

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

Including such household names as Scythia, Tomyris, Nubia, Amanitore, John Curtin, Gorgo, Catherine de Medici, Gitarja, Jayavarman VII, Khmer, Jadwiga, Mvemba a Nzinga, Frederick Barbarossa, and Hojo Tokimune... Civ6 has given me reason to hope we won't see the stereotyped and overdone Sioux and will actually get a well-deserved dark horse for Native North America.

(I mean, I get what you're saying: amid all those obscure names you also have Victoria, Cleopatra, Teddy Roosevelt, and so forth. But given just how many surprising choices the Civ6 dev team has made, I'm hopeful that they'll make a more interesting choice for a Native American civ than the Sioux.)

Frederick Barbarossa isn't that obscure. The third crusade is the most famous one, after all.

I think the fact that Australia's ability is called "The Land Down Under" also helps reinforce that idea to me.

Mind you, Afonso I (I'm not spelling Mvemba a Nzinga any more than I need to) is pretty dang obscure. However, I still think the idea of representing simpler and / or more iconic aspects of Civilizations is at play here. Gorgo's ability is Thermopylae, a battle way more famous than she is and which most people (at least of our region of the world) are aware of.

 

[Phrozen]

Including such household names as Scythia, Tomyris, Nubia, Amanitore, John Curtin, Gorgo, Catherine de Medici, Gitarja, Jayavarman VII, Khmer, Jadwiga, Mvemba a Nzinga, Frederick Barbarossa, and Hojo Tokimune... Civ6 has given me reason to hope we won't see the stereotyped and overdone Sioux and will actually get a well-deserved dark horse for Native North America.

(I mean, I get what you're saying: amid all those obscure names you also have Victoria, Cleopatra, Teddy Roosevelt, and so forth. But given just how many surprising choices the Civ6 dev team has made, I'm hopeful that they'll make a more interesting choice for a Native American civ than the Sioux.)

If they did a native american horse raider civ I would much rather have the Comanche lead by Buffalo Hump.

 

[Lord of War N02]

Including such household names as Scythia, Tomyris, Nubia, Amanitore, John Curtin, Gorgo, Catherine de Medici, Gitarja, Jayavarman VII, Khmer, Jadwiga, Mvemba a Nzinga, Frederick Barbarossa, and Hojo Tokimune... Civ6 has given me reason to hope we won't see the stereotyped and overdone Sioux and will actually get a well-deserved dark horse for Native North America.

(I mean, I get what you're saying: amid all those obscure names you also have Victoria, Cleopatra, Teddy Roosevelt, and so forth. But given just how many surprising choices the Civ6 dev team has made, I'm hopeful that they'll make a more interesting choice for a Native American civ than the Sioux.)

How about Cherokee, since Cherokee is never represented before and Cherokee should led by Attakullakulla. Sioux should be in first or second expansion as I want to see Native American civ that never appeared in civ games before

 

[Liufeng]

And now, that I've got some time, here we go for my third list of civs for a third expansion. Again, choices had to be made.

1. Hungary (led by Stephen I) : Hungary is a long desired civ among fans, and I would quite enjoy their inclusion since its an old kingdom with a particular culture and language (and I like goulash). Of course, when talking about Hungary, we think about its culture. But we have Stephen I at its lead, so a lot of religious boni would surely come ! Besides, it would be fun to have a saint as leader in the game.
2. Denmark (led by Margaret I) : Sorry about swedes, but this time, if we need to have a "modern" scandinavian nation (By that, I mean non-viking), I'd rather it be Denmark under the queen that led the scandinavian union of Kalmar, Margaret. Of course, Denmark needs to have boni towards seafearing and coast occupation. But with Margaret, a lot of diplomatic and suzerainity boni over CS would apply.
3. Armenia (led by Tigranes II) : an extremely rich culture, a unique alphabet, a powerful ancient kingdom, and a leader whose fame is unquestionable, and is very wise. SOme boni towards faith and culture would lead Armenia, while Tigranes II boni would certainly be focused on war !
4. Vietnam (led by Trieu Thi Trinh) : Vietnam is unfortunately most known for its war rather for its millenial history (seeing the number of people that ask for Vietcong as UU or Ho Chi Minh as the leader is enough). Vietnam would truly focus on culture and food production and friendly relations, while Trieu Thi Trinh would kindly hate Conquerors and declare war on them.
5. Muisca (led by Quemuenchatocha) : the Muisca were probably the most hard taking territory the spanish had taken, and we certainly need more native american from South America. Plus, we already have a UU with the Guecha warrior. The Muisca would have boni towards the defense of their territory and diplomacy, while the leader Quemuenchatocha, who was well aware of the spanish abilities before they came, would have boni towards espionnage.
6. Argentina (Eva Peron) : If there's one modern nation I would not mind, it is certainly Argentina, which developped a great culture of its own. Of course, culture would be the main focus of an argentinian civilization. Evita, on the other hand, would focus on the well being of her population, trying to get amenities, and diplomacy.
7. Carthage (led by Hanno the Navigator) : they are the representative of the phoenician culture. Besides, they are the ancient civ with boni towards seafaring and trade. But the navigation side should be expanded with Hanno the Navigator as their leader, and not Hannibal who's too linked with warfare and Rome, and Dido who's figure is too legendary.
8. Zimbabwe (led by Nyatsimba Mutota) : instead of the non-relevant-at-all-except-for-making-british-look-important Zulus, Zimbabwe would be a far better choice as a South african civilization (and yes, we do know a lot about them). They should have boni towards resources exploitation, since they had plenty of gold mines and a great cattle tradition. Besides, Nyatsimba Mutota would have boni towards founding cities, and ertainly he'd try to settle wherever he can.
9. Yemen (led by Arwa al-Sulayhi) : Yemen has always been the exception in the arabian peninsula, being the fertile part of the region, and being covered in mountains. Again, culture would be a must for Yemen, but also logistics since like the Inca they lived much in the mountains. Arwa is one of the only women monarchs in the islamic world, and it would be a shame to miss such leader, who would have boni towards districts and religion.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Besides, it would be fun to have a saint as leader in the game.

Isn't Jadwiga a saint?

Also, that reminds me that Saint Wenceslas, Duke of Bohemia, could be interesting saint leader
(Did you know that Christmas carol Good King Wenceslas is based on him?)

 

[Liufeng]

Isn't Jadwiga a saint?

Also, that reminds me that Saint Wenceslas, Duke of Bohemia, could be interesting saint leader
(Did you know that Christmas carol Good King Wenceslas is based on him?)

Well, aparently, she is, but only in 1998, while Stephen I was canonized in 1083 !

It seems that Wenceslas was canonized soon after his death, becoming a symbol the "good king" during the high middle ages. Not too bad if you ask me Besides, not everyone has a Christmas carol inspired from him.

 

[luigilime]

And now, that I've got some time, here we go for my third list of civs for a third expansion. Again, choices had to be made.

1. Hungary (led by Stephen I) : Hungary is a long desired civ among fans, and I would quite enjoy their inclusion since its an old kingdom with a particular culture and language (and I like goulash). Of course, when talking about Hungary, we think about its culture. But we have Stephen I at its lead, so a lot of religious boni would surely come ! Besides, it would be fun to have a saint as leader in the game.
2. Denmark (led by Margaret I) : Sorry about swedes, but this time, if we need to have a "modern" scandinavian nation (By that, I mean non-viking), I'd rather it be Denmark under the queen that led the scandinavian union of Kalmar, Margaret. Of course, Denmark needs to have boni towards seafearing and coast occupation. But with Margaret, a lot of diplomatic and suzerainity boni over CS would apply.
3. Armenia (led by Tigranes II) : an extremely rich culture, a unique alphabet, a powerful ancient kingdom, and a leader whose fame is unquestionable, and is very wise. SOme boni towards faith and culture would lead Armenia, while Tigranes II boni would certainly be focused on war !
4. Vietnam (led by Trieu Thi Trinh) : Vietnam is unfortunately most known for its war rather for its millenial history (seeing the number of people that ask for Vietcong as UU or Ho Chi Minh as the leader is enough). Vietnam would truly focus on culture and food production and friendly relations, while Trieu Thi Trinh would kindly hate Conquerors and declare war on them.
5. Muisca (led by Quemuenchatocha) : the Muisca were probably the most hard taking territory the spanish had taken, and we certainly need more native american from South America. Plus, we already have a UU with the Guecha warrior. The Muisca would have boni towards the defense of their territory and diplomacy, while the leader Quemuenchatocha, who was well aware of the spanish abilities before they came, would have boni towards espionnage.
6. Argentina (Eva Peron) : If there's one modern nation I would not mind, it is certainly Argentina, which developped a great culture of its own. Of course, culture would be the main focus of an argentinian civilization. Evita, on the other hand, would focus on the well being of her population, trying to get amenities, and diplomacy.
7. Carthage (led by Hanno the Navigator) : they are the representative of the phoenician culture. Besides, they are the ancient civ with boni towards seafaring and trade. But the navigation side should be expanded with Hanno the Navigator as their leader, and not Hannibal who's too linked with warfare and Rome, and Dido who's figure is too legendary.
8. Zimbabwe (led by Nyatsimba Mutota) : instead of the non-relevant-at-all-except-for-making-british-look-important Zulus, Zimbabwe would be a far better choice as a South african civilization (and yes, we do know a lot about them). They should have boni towards resources exploitation, since they had plenty of gold mines and a great cattle tradition. Besides, Nyatsimba Mutota would have boni towards founding cities, and ertainly he'd try to settle wherever he can.
9. Yemen (led by Arwa al-Sulayhi) : Yemen has always been the exception in the arabian peninsula, being the fertile part of the region, and being covered in mountains. Again, culture would be a must for Yemen, but also logistics since like the Inca they lived much in the mountains. Arwa is one of the only women monarchs in the islamic world, and it would be a shame to miss such leader, who would have boni towards districts and religion.

the problem with yemen is that sana'a is already a city of arabia...

 

[Zaarin]

Frederick Barbarossa isn't that obscure. The third crusade is the most famous one, after all.

True, but it's famous for Richard and Saladin. Barbarossa died before he got there, and most people forget Philippe Augustus. I agree that Barbarossa isn't terribly obscure, but he's also not nearly as famous as the Iron Chancellor--especially since not everyone agrees that Germany should be depicted as the Holy Roman Empire. (I personally am not only fine with it but ecstatic about it, but I know some would prefer that Germany be the German nation. I'd have no problem with Bismarck returning, but I think he'd be a little redundant.)

If they did a native american horse raider civ I would much rather have the Comanche lead by Buffalo Hump.

And I'd prefer the Nez Perce led by Chief Joseph. But mostly I'd prefer they just not do a Native American horse raider civ.

How about Cherokee, since Cherokee is never represented before and Cherokee should led by Attakullakulla. Sioux should be in first or second expansion as I want to see Native American civ that never appeared in civ games before

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Cherokee would be the second worst option of the Five Civilized Tribes, ahead only of the Seminole and only because the Seminole were just a splinter cell of the Creek. The Cherokee had bad leadership who capitulated to white interests over their own; their fame comes largely from their ability to assimilate to European culture. The Choctaw, IMO, are the best choice: more stable than the Creek and Cherokee, and having a big personality in Pushmataha--who was for living in peace with America without selling out to them, which makes him rather interesting in a world with Tecumseh on the one hand and the likes of Alexander McGillivray or James Vann on the other. The Chickasaw would also work well--arguably they were the most successful at resisting acculturation--but they also don't have the standout leaders the others do. The Creek are somewhat problematic: they were easily the most influential and powerful of the lot, but ultimately the question of acculturation tore them apart in the Red Stick War.

Well, aparently, she is, but only in 1998, while Stephen I was canonized in 1083 !

It seems that Wenceslas was canonized soon after his death, becoming a symbol the "good king" during the high middle ages. Not too bad if you ask me Besides, not everyone has a Christmas carol inspired from him.

Thanks, I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day.

the problem with yemen is that sana'a is already a city of arabia...

Wouldn't be the first time the same city has shown up on multiple city lists.

 

[Liufeng]

Thanks, I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day.

You're welcome