Civilization Design

[Qdin]

why would we do tht?

of COURSE we'll make tons of stuffs instead of just copy/paste a weapon xD it seems quite boring lol

but okay then.

I'd still prefer a Unique Building or something which would unlock a technology so ONLY that player could research from that i.e. Advanced Droid Technology, Cloning Facility etc. everyone could get it, but only one can unlock it for himself...

 

[Ooryl]

a few suggestions for extra civs:
Killiks - have a huge colony plus gives the option of enemy force possibly becoming joiners
bith
bothan - although they side with the republic the often act independantly
caamasi
duros
mon calamari
noghri
ryn - outcasts who have an extensive spy network
ssi-ruu - controlled significant portion of galaxy
twi'lek
verpine
yevetha - controlled large amounts of space

 

[s.c.dude]

a few suggestions for extra civs:
Killiks - have a huge colony plus gives the option of enemy force possibly becoming joiners
bith
bothan - although they side with the republic the often act independantly
caamasi
duros
mon calamari
noghri
ryn - outcasts who have an extensive spy network
ssi-ruu - controlled significant portion of galaxy
twi'lek
verpine
yevetha - controlled large amounts of space

i cant see any of those actually being added except mon cal

 

[Kissamies]

I think the only choice of that list to be considered would be Killiks, others are mostly small time or part of some larger organisation. The Ssi-ruu just had their remote star cluster and Yevetha had their more central one before they were promptly defeated. The industrious and expansive Killiks with UnuThul as leader would make a pretty good civ and they have been around for a very long time.

I still stand by my earlier suggestions of Hapes and Zsinj's Empire, and then there's the Galactic Alliance with Cal Omas as leader. Might consider Corellians too. Leader: Thrackan Sal-Solo?

 

[Roland787]

am i the only one who would be sorely dissapointed if EWOKS & JAWAS get left out of the game. everybody loves the cute and cuddly fuzzy lil ewoks, maybe their own civ?? (i mean they did manage to capture Luke and Han in the movie, i think that earns em a civ.) specialties could be things such as setting traps and hunting, and theyre very religious, thinkin that C3PO was a god and all. jawas could be put in as barbs(altho theyre not really aggressive) but maybe they roam around in theyre big tank thingamajig with droids and basic techs to trade you, i dont know, just an idea, prolly wouldnt work but worth a shot.

Ewoks could get extra money and hammers. Theyre great woodsman. COME ON, WE HAVE TO HAVE EWOKS IN HERE SOMEHOW.

 

[Roland787]

Seggor Tels could be another Quarrens leader.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seggor_Tels

 

[Roland787]

Jawas are known for their seeking out new technologies for sale and trade while cruisin around in their sandcrawlers. They were also the ones who found C-3PO and R2-D2 so maybe the civ who finds em and trades or destroys em (your choice) recieves the two droids who themselves add special attributes to your civ. gotta love the lil buggers.

 

[Roland787]

im now only 10 posts away from being able to get a custom avatar after this post which has no purpose other than what i just stated so forgive my waste of space i apologize.

Oh wait, i have something to make it not a waste of space. A leader for a tribe of Jawas who found Jabba the Hutts rancor. goes by the name of Tteel Kkak.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jawa

 

[Kissamies]

Jawa or Ewoks... way too silly. I guess with canononlyplz approach one would have to use any species one can think of, but I prefer at least some EU.

I'll go through (most of the) original post civs here:

Ancient Old Republic
Leaders: Carth Onasi, Bastila Shan (from KOTOR 1 and 2)
UU:

Just "Old Republic" might be better
Leaders: This guy might be the only one I know of and he doesn't have a name. You can do better than Carth and Bastila however. Pick that admiral woman from KotOR, for example. Something Dodonna?

Galactic Senate (from the prequels)
Leaders: Chancellor Palpatine
UU:

Galactic Republic
Leaders: Chancellors Palpatine and Finis Valorum

Stormtrooper could be a good UU for Empire

Mandalorians
Leaders: Mandalore (real name Canderous Ordo)
UU:

There are several Mandalores to be chosen from. Indomitable and Ordo are probably the most familiar ones for public. Fett wasn't so much into it.
UU: Basilisk war droid

Quarrens

Quarren? Odd choice, Mon Cals would be better.

Sith Empire
Leaders: Darth Malak, Darth Nihilous
UU:

You could represent the Sith from a wider period of time than just KotOR. Pick 2 leaders from: Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Revan and Lord Kaan. Malak wasn't as great leader as Revan and Nihilus was more of a force of nature than a leader at all.

Rebel Alliance
Leaders: Mon Mothma, Princess Leia
UU:

More leader options: Ackbar, Jan Dodonna, Bail Organa. Personally I'd move Leia to NR.

Wookiees

UU: Wookie warband maybe; a powerful infantry unit.

Chiss Empire
Leaders: Grand Admiral Thrawn
UU:

Chiss Ascendancy
Leader: Aristocra Chaf'orm'bintrano (Formbi)
Can't blame you for using the more familiar Mitth'raw'nuruodo (Thrawn), and it's not that much of a stretch. For more accuracy he would lead Empire of the Hand instead.

Hutt Empire
Leaders: Jabba the Hutt
UU:

Jabba Desilijic Tiure
UU: Gamorrean, Nikto, or Klatooinian slave troopers perhaps

Black Sun Crime Syndicate

UU: StarViper? Can't think of anything better. Swoop gangs maybe?

New Republic
Leaders: Borsk
UU:

Yes, beside Borsk Fey'lya, Leia Organa Solo is the only real possibility for Chief of State.

Vuuzhan Vong
Leaders: Shmrra Jaamane
UU:

Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, yes. Can't think of anyone else.

Possible new ones:

Xim's Empire
Leader: Xim the Despot
UU: War-Robot

Originally he lived at 1000 BBY, but he was retconned to 25K BBY.

Corporate Sector Authority
Leader: Should be ExO, but don't know any, so Viceprex Hirken or Fiolla if you stretch it a bit. Maybe Odumin, heh.
UU: No idea, Espos are only thing I can think of. Could be good at being garrison troops.

Ones I have suggested before for completeness:

Zsinj's Empire
Leader: Warlord Zsinj
UU: Raptor commando

Hapes Consortium
Leader: Ta'a Chume (and possibly Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo
UU: Hapan Battle Dragon

Galactic Alliance
Leader: Cal Omas
UU: YVH droid

Corellians
Leader: Thrackan Sal-Solo
UU: Any ship by Corellian Engineering Corporation

 

[WGW]

thanks for youre help with thinking about this mod.
i like youre idea about this.
and they need to be added to the game if somebody will ever make any concerns about this

 

[tallicahead00]

An interesting civ for the Mod would be the New Sith Empire from the Legacy Comics.

 

[Kissamies]

More like Roan Fel's Empire that Krayt and his tattooed thugs took over, but yes. I suppose it's evolved from the Imperial Remnant.

 

[tallicahead00]

More like Roan Fel's Empire that Krayt and his tattooed thugs took over, but yes. I suppose it's evolved from the Imperial Remnant.

HA HA, good point. Either way, I would love to see the Imperial Knight's as a unit in the game.

 

[Kissamies]

Could express the different Empires with just different leaders for one civ. Original: Palpatine, Warlord mini-empires: Zsinj, Remnant: Pellaeon, New: Roan Fel. This would mean no cool UU's like the imp knights, but stormies for everyone.

 

[tallicahead00]

I'm all about the units, so I think it should just be the Galactic Empire and the new Sith Empire, since these ones were the strongest empires in the SW universe.

 

[tallicahead00]

Here are my ideas for possible Civs. I am one of those who feel the Civs should be more Government based, at least at first, with notable leaders from the SW universe. All the things you see me post in any thread I have done actual research on, so if you feel your opinion differs from mine just keep in mind I was trying to keep with the canon of SW. Also to note, I didn't put in a favorite civic for I didn't know which ones would be used in the game. But I digress, so here are my recommendations for Civs and leaders:

Galactic Republic:
Palpatine-Organized, Financial

CIS:
Dooku-Aggressive, Spiritual
Grievous-Aggressive, Expansive

Galactic Empire:
Emperor Palpatine-Aggressive, Industrious
Grand Admiral Thrawn-Aggressive, Creative
Note: I opted Thrawn for Vader, because Vader I thought had characteristics too close to that of the Emperor. And once I saw that Thrawn was more into the culture aspect of being a leader I thought he would be good for the Mod since culture is a big part of Civ. Also, I think Vader should be a playable character in the game so it made it easier to put in a different leader.

The Rebel Alliance:
Mon Mothma-Expansive, Organized
Leia Organa-Expansive, Financial

The Jedi Order:
Yoda-Philisophical, Spiritual
Note: Instead of a single person being a leader for this you could just say the Jedi Council is the leader; if this is done I would say use the same characterisitcs as I used for Yoda.

The Order of the Sith:
Bane- Aggressive, Aggressive
Malak- Aggressive, Expansive

The Mandalorians:
Mandalore-Aggressive, Expansive
Note: Though this is not a government, but more of a race, it is a race with multiple famous characters and helped influence a lot politics with in the SW universe.

Sith Galactic Empire(From the Legacy Era comics):
Darth Krayt-Aggressive, Aggressive
Emperor Roan Fel-Expansive, Organized

 

[Kissamies]

Can't be absolutely sure about traits either, but let's assume they won't be altered. An important question to answer would be Warlords or not (and BtS or not)? Palpatine would probably have Charismatic if that trait was available, for example.

Galactic Empire:
Emperor Palpatine-Aggressive, Industrious
Grand Admiral Thrawn-Aggressive, Creative
Note: I opted Thrawn for Vader, because Vader I thought had characteristics too close to that of the Emperor. And once I saw that Thrawn was more into the culture aspect of being a leader I thought he would be good for the Mod since culture is a big part of Civ. Also, I think Vader should be a playable character in the game so it made it easier to put in a different leader.

I agree about Vader, he would do better as Great General/Hero/Person/whatever.

The Jedi Order

Don't like this. Rarely did the Jedi rule even though they guided a lot.

The Order of the Sith:
Bane- Aggressive, Aggressive
Malak- Aggressive, Expansive

No no no, Darth Bane didn't lead a Sith empire. Actually he indirectly contributed to the destruction of Brotherhood of Darkness and saw such thing as weak. He started the Rule of Two and clearly is not a leader of great empires. Good Great Person material though.

Darth Malak is pretty much a thug who opportunistically stabbed Revan in the back and then continued on the course his master had plotted. He had the Infinite Fleet and Republic already reeling thanks to Revan. Any idiot can win with odds like that. Should be Darth Revan if you want a KotOR character. We don't see him in action in the game for obvious reasons, but we are told that he was a great leader and strategist. The dreaded Aggressive and Charismatic combo?

The Mandalorians:
Mandalore-Aggressive, Expansive
Note: Though this is not a government, but more of a race, it is a race with multiple famous characters and helped influence a lot politics with in the SW universe.

More like culture than race. They were destroyed as empire, but the culture remained.

 

[NikNaks]

Just remember that we are trying to make a fun, enjoyable game based on Star Wars. It doesn't have to be inch perfect.

 

[tallicahead00]

Can't be absolutely sure about traits either, but let's assume they won't be altered. An important question to answer would be Warlords or not (and BtS or not)? Palpatine would probably have Charismatic if that trait was available, for example.


I agree about Vader, he would do better as Great General/Hero/Person/whatever.


Don't like this. Rarely did the Jedi rule even though they guided a lot.


No no no, Darth Bane didn't lead a Sith empire. Actually he indirectly contributed to the destruction of Brotherhood of Darkness and saw such thing as weak. He started the Rule of Two and clearly is not a leader of great empires. Good Great Person material though.

Darth Malak is pretty much a thug who opportunistically stabbed Revan in the back and then continued on the course his master had plotted. He had the Infinite Fleet and Republic already reeling thanks to Revan. Any idiot can win with odds like that. Should be Darth Revan if you want a KotOR character. We don't see him in action in the game for obvious reasons, but we are told that he was a great leader and strategist. The dreaded Aggressive and Charismatic combo?


More like culture than race. They were destroyed as empire, but the culture remained.

Come to think about some of the stuff you wrote, you are right. I just suggeseted the sith and jedi because I thought people might have fun being those as freestanding civs instead of them being tied into the republic or empire, etc... And if you think they would make fine civs for they had their own culture and set of laws. Just a thought.

 

[tallicahead00]

Just remember that we are trying to make a fun, enjoyable game based on Star Wars. It doesn't have to be inch perfect.

That is the main thing to this game, fun. That's why I recommended recognizable things from the SW universe,so no one would be left in the dark about civs and units and if they didn't know at least they could be brought to speed quickly.