Civilization elimination thread

[SammyKhalifa]

You really think people made new accounts to boost up their favorite civ? If thats true.... I don't even know how to describe how sad that is.

Haha, yeah. I do think maybe these threads have energized some long-time lurkers into getting on to vote.

 

[cman2010]

Haha, yeah. I do think maybe these threads have energized some long-time lurkers into getting on to vote.

I think this might be the case.

 

[PhilBowles]

Well, I'm Canadian, so your research doesn't apply to me, and I have a hard time with the colour differentiation, so it's a fact and your girlfriend is just playing you.

Since the difference (other than shades of red) is between Barb black and Ethiopia green, this shouldn't make a difference. Difficulty distinguishing red from green should make it difficult to distinguish Ethiopian icons and city names from the background colour, but I don't know why it would affect distinguishing between barbs and Ethiopians.

ETHIOPIA: Ras Tafari is a badass, as well as a smart leader ahead of his time. It's funny that he will go for Christianity though. I know the Ethiopian Orthodox church is ancient, but I always think of Falashas = Judaism, and Rastas = pseudo-Judaism.

Haille Selassie wasn't Rastafarian any more than Jesus was Christian. Selassie was, indeed, Orthodox Christian.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Since the difference (other than shades of red) is between Barb black and Ethiopia green, this shouldn't make a difference. Difficulty distinguishing red from green should make it difficult to distinguish Ethiopian icons and city names from the background colour, but I don't know why it would affect distinguishing between barbs and Ethiopians.

Monitor Calibration and just general lighting in the room you're playing are going to be a big factor there.

 

[ezbutton]

Arabia 24
Babylon 23
Carthage 17
China 26
England 10
Ethiopia 9
Inca 31
Korea 25
Maya 16
Netherlands 21
Persia 20
Siam 19

Well its starting to get tougher who to downvote as it gets to the final 10. I think China's an easy vote cause stronger GGs, quick gold advantage in the Paper maker and one of the best UUs. Gonna have to subtract from the Ethiopians because of the UA and UU and the lack of synergy with one of the best UBs.

 

[cman2010]

Arabia 24
Babylon 23
Carthage 17
China 26
England 10
Ethiopia 9
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 14
Netherlands 21
Persia 20
Siam 19

up vote korea like I have said I always maintain a strong tech lead with them and I love there UUs

maya I dont like that there UA raises the GP cost.

 

[DeathFace]

Arabia 22
Babylon 23
Carthage 17
China 26
England 11
Ethiopia 9
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 14
Netherlands 21
Persia 20
Siam 19

I always hate it when playing as Arabia I have an overabundance of one luxury resource and when I get bazaars in the cities with the luxuries I end up with way more copies than civs I can trade with.

Again, I love England due to their naval advantages.

 

[Kurtbob]

Arabia 22
Babylon 23
Carthage 17
China 26
England 11
Ethiopia 9
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 12
Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 19

Netherlands are fun to play and quite versatile. Love the polders and the sea beggars.

Not a fan the Mayan long-count. Increases my GP costs. Meh. Still, Love the Pyramid.

 

[DGDobrev]

Wow, Babylon dropping down

In any case, it is good to see that not every player values beakers over everything else. Besides, Babylon is still overpowered in my opinion. Early bowmen rushes work even on Deity, as the AI mindlessly sends unit after units for your 5-6 bowmen to finish off in a single volley. Furthermore, up until T180 or so, I have never ever been able to generate the amount of beakers Nebby does with 1 city no matter which civ I tried out. Granted, this comes mainly from planted GS's, but it still makes a major difference.

Just check the screens - they show what can Nebby do in the midgame (with Plastics coming soon, it gets even better)... With that many beakers you can wage war and upgrade your units on the fly. With your capital as the center of Science and, say, 2 more cities cranking out military, the enemies are in for some tough time against you. Granted, Babylon doesn't have a UU with a fancy name, but when you can get a Gatling gun and a Cannon out while the enemy is still polishing their swords, you pretty much put the opposition on their knees.

 

[Gucumatz]

Arabia 22
Babylon 23
Carthage 17
China 26
England 11
Ethiopia 9
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 13 (+1) - Being able to build cities I have gone to and/or dream to go to along with the early - middle tech rush as I carve the world in my - I mean my ancestors image . Priceless
Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 17 (-2) Their elephants are no longer as good as they once were and while its nice to get some earlier allies now - the bonuses just don't tend to be enough with UAs compared to the remaining civs (other than Ethiopia)

 

[woodshadows]

Wow, Babylon dropping down
I have never ever been able to generate the amount of beakers Nebby does with 1 city no matter which civ I tried out. Granted, this comes mainly from planted GS's, but it still makes a major difference.

Ramses might be some competition. I don't know what difficulty level you're playing at in those screenshots but I've had comparable science as Ramses on Immortal. Pyramids, Great Library [choose philosophy], National College. Took Monument to the Gods for my pantheon early (+15% Ancient/Classical wonder production), beelined Aristocracy in the tradition tree (+15% Wonder production), combining with the UA of 20% and land which became extremely well developed thanks to the Pyramids, the wonder building power was incredible and filled my capital with nearly every ancient/classical wonder and loads of wonders in the other eras - great people production was out of control.

 

[PhilBowles]

Arabia 22
Babylon 23
Carthage 17
China 26
England 11
Ethiopia 9
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 13 (+1) - Being able to build cities I have gone to and/or dream to go to along with the early - middle tech rush as I carve the world in my - I mean my ancestors image . Priceless

Not sure what it is about the Maya specifically that has that effect (perhaps just that all their city names are taken from existing ruins that can be visited), but I feel the same. I even avoided taking the Hunnic-founded city of Caracol in my last game because I've visited the site (and as Ethiopia, I'd have wanted to raze it - though I suppose I could always have given it to Pacal).

[/COLOR]Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 17 (-2) Their elephants are no longer as good as they once were and while its nice to get some earlier allies now - the bonuses just don't tend to be enough with UAs compared to the remaining civs (other than Ethiopia)

Remember how resting influence works post G&K. 20 from Patronage + 10 from protection or 15 from Papal Primacy means that you can be permanent friends with every city-state on the map with which you aren't at war, and the Siamese benefit comes with friendship rather than alliance. That's a huge bonus, and era-rushing can always give you big bonuses early from friendship/alliance with one or two CSes. Siam near a religious CS is also one of the best civs for getting early religion.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

Arabia 22
Babylon 24
Carthage 17
China 26
England 11
Ethiopia 7
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 13
Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 17

The stele is really awesome but everything else is okay. its lasted this long in the list and compared to whats left im happy enough that its still here but it can start the push to the exit, imo.

I think charliegun's devaluation of bowmen is way off base. they let you delay needing construction for other techs. bowmen are quite awesome.

 

[Arilian]

Arabia 22
Babylon 25
Carthage 17
China 26
England 9
Ethiopia 7
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 13
Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 17

Arabia and Babylon are way better than the others. Babylon might be stronger, but voted for Arabia now. Desert/flood plain bias, often incense, top ub, top uu, ok ua (double oil is better than ok, but only if you play later start. For indrustial start arabia is absolute number 1)

Voted down England. I actually love them and they are strong but not really top tier.

 

[DGDobrev]

Ramses might be some competition. I don't know what difficulty level you're playing at in those screenshots but I've had comparable science as Ramses on Immortal. Pyramids, Great Library [choose philosophy], National College. Took Monument to the Gods for my pantheon early (+15% Ancient/Classical wonder production), beelined Aristocracy in the tradition tree (+15% Wonder production), combining with the UA of 20% and land which became extremely well developed thanks to the Pyramids, the wonder building power was incredible and filled my capital with nearly every ancient/classical wonder and loads of wonders in the other eras - great people production was out of control.

I always play Deity. From all the Ancient/Classical wonders, I have only the Oracle built in that city outside the national ones - I have Haile in my game, and he is a crazy wonderbuilder just like Rammesses. In this game, that bugger built the PT on T138. That wonder is crucial to any science victory, and I never saw it coming. Crazy... Had me re-load from T110 and take a completely different route (building Pisa and selecting a GE, which destroys your GS spawning procedure, as it counts as a created GP), and still managed to build it on T135. Still, I'd rather have GS's spawning up until Hubble than GE's. Oh well... This is why I rarely play with any meaningful religion when I want to start the GS pumping machine - I just let an opponent spread his own to my capital.

I guess with Rammesses you can manage to get a lot of wonders, but on Deity, you have a timeline GL is built by T25-28 (you need 20 turns just to fully research writing for GL, unless you select the Random seed and reload a ruin till it gives you Writing, but it is way too cheesy), ToA (easier to get) from T28-38, HG around T45, Petra around T55-60. That's not much time to get more than a few wonders out even with Rammesses, as it takes a while to get a Pantheon, and Marble is situational.

 

[woodshadows]

Arabia 22
Babylon 25
Carthage 17
China 26
England 9
Ethiopia 7
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 13
Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 17

Arabia and Babylon are way better than the others. Babylon might be stronger, but voted for Arabia now. Desert/flood plain bias, often incense, top ub, top uu, ok ua (double oil is better than ok, but only if you play later start. For indrustial start arabia is absolute number 1)

Voted down England. I actually love them and they are strong but not really top tier.

Actually you voted for Babylon, not Arabia.. accident?

 

[woodshadows]

I guess with Rammesses you can manage to get a lot of wonders, but on Deity, you have a timeline GL is built by T25-28 (you need 20 turns just to fully research writing for GL, unless you select the Random seed and reload a ruin till it gives you Writing, but it is way too cheesy), ToA (easier to get) from T28-38, HG around T45, Petra around T55-60. That's not much time to get more than a few wonders out even with Rammesses, as it takes a while to get a Pantheon, and Marble is situational.

Yes, I haven't tried this on Deity and have only played Deity once, but I imagine Ramses' power would be severely degraded, even on Immortal taking the pantheon and aristocracy are vital if you want a good shot at most of the wonders. Impressive science for Babylon anyhow if that was Deity, I was really under the impression that outside of an early tech lead thanks to the academy Babylon's science power was vastly diminished with the GS nerf, I know at a certain point, late renaissance, early industrial I stop bothering to choose Great Scientists when I have the opportunity of choosing a great person, halving research times on techs just doesn't seem that useful at that stage of the game.

 

[DGDobrev]

I was able to get everything going right in that game - beat off Sweden back in the early DOW (T29 DoW), paid them off with 1 gold 10 turns later, meanwhile getting NC and Oracle, and then beeline to Astronomy which I got with Oxford 2 turns before the next available policy which allowed to me to jump from full Tradition to Rationalism. It was perfect timing, but the game managed to unfold kinda bad - few RA options, Sweden and Arabia regularly DoWing me and in the end, I finished it on T238. Shame for the great starting location, as I could feel this can develop into a sub-230 victory.

 

[PhilBowles]

Arabia 22
Babylon 25
Carthage 17
China 26
England 9
Ethiopia 7
Inca 31
Korea 26
Maya 13
Netherlands 22
Persia 20
Siam 17

Arabia and Babylon are way better than the others. Babylon might be stronger, but voted for Arabia now. Desert/flood plain bias, often incense, top ub, top uu, ok ua (double oil is better than ok, but only if you play later start. For indrustial start arabia is absolute number 1)

Voted down England. I actually love them and they are strong but not really top tier.

"Way stronger" is an exaggeration - Korea, Siam, and probably the Inca, Maya and Persia are strong contenders alongside Babylon. And Arabia's relied on an exploit to get this far - an exploit that isn't even that impressive a lot of the time and which is completely redundant if you happen to have multiple luxuries of the types you can trade anyway. I'm not at all sure why China is still so high - I think people may have forgotten it for a while and just left it up there...

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

well, he said 'way better' then later 'stronger'. 'way stronger' was twisting his words. and it's not really an exaggeration, just someone's preference. 'way better' isnt really something that can be arguably proven anyway. its just an opinion.