[LP] Civilization VI: Leader Pass - Discussion Thread

[DWilson]

There's a hidden video in the first look YouTube playlist for the leader pass

 

[Uberfrog]

Yep... and the reskins look weird. The new Cesar's hands are must be modelled on Gilgamesh's as they are gigantic and out of proportion with the rest of his body. The black lady has a comically small neck.

None of the leaders are reskins. The only things that were reused in NFP were animations. All the models are unique (except of course the personas).

I agree Caesar looks bizarre, but if you compare him to Gilgamesh the models are clearly not the same. The animations are not based on Gilgamesh either.

 

[Haig]

I think Harald is his core model.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

None of the leaders are reskins. The only things that were reused in NFP were animations. All the models are unique (except of course the personas).

I agree Caesar looks bizarre, but if you compare him to Gilgamesh the models are clearly not the same. The animations are not based on Gilgamesh either.

Even Personas are unique, it uses the same skeleton and animations, but the mesh itself is adjusted to be different.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

There's a hidden video in the first look YouTube playlist for the leader pass

And, I noticed earlier today that there are three hidden videos in the "What's new" playlist, one of which is likely the same as the FL video with the other two I assume to be Leader Trailers for Mbande & Saladin.

 

[nzcamel]

Say, I don't think anyone else has brought this up yet, but I'll just say it.

*Deeply Inhales*

FIRAXIS, PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING GOOD, MAKE THE LEADER INTROS BETTER THAN NEW FRONTIER'S INTROS. I DON'T CARE HOW BADLY SEAN BEAN MISPRONOUNCES THE LEADER'S NAMES, JUST MAKE THEM AS EPIC AS GATHERING STORM'S INTROS.

And get the fade in/fade out for the soundtracks, when entering a leader-screen that disappeared with the NFP!

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

And get the fade in/fade out for the soundtracks, when entering a leader-screen that disappeared with the NFP!

There seems to be a lot of assets bugs for post Babylon packs, Vietnam and Portgual both have these issue (at least as far as I observed), it seems the Audio Tracks are on a completely different Channel (when playing Hotseat, it is the most noticeable).

The Loyalty Warning Asset is broken for Gauls and Byzantine's as well (it's tiny, as opposed to covering the entire hex).

I hope they will address it, and thankfully they are minor ones.

 

[Abaxial]

... but the problem is man. In a strictctly biological sense, man would be homo sapiens, and stone tools come long before the appearance of h. Sapiens, with h. Habilis and others, and arguably even predate the homo genus altogether with australopithecus and other earlier groups of hominids.

(Of course, we all know in reality they're probably misusing stone age to mean the age of dinosaurs and other fossils turned to stone and buried in the ground).

Homo Sapiens is modern man, but any "homo" is man.

Incidentally, one may note what age we are living in now. The definition is according to what is the usual material for making domestic knives. So: stone knives, bronze knives, and then iron knives. At the moment, we are in a transition between the stainless steel age and the plastic age (there's always a transition as one material gradually displaces another).

 

[pokiehl]

For Heaven's sake FIX THIS! The Stone Age could not begin until man was taking upright steps and making stone tools. This text was written by some very ignorant person.

I think it’s important for fans to fairly criticize the game, but I don’t think insulting the people behind the game is mature or productive.

Your point is more likely to be acknowledged without personal attacks or an aggressive tone.

 

[AntSou]

It's a minor inconsequential detail which wasn't addressed after release and will certainly not be changed 6 years down the line. Besides, it's so down in the list of priorities it's pushed past the bottom right into the Earth's core.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

It's a minor inconsequential detail which wasn't addressed after release and will certainly not be changed 6 years down the line. Besides, it's so down in the list of priorities it's pushed past the bottom right into the Earth's core.

Not to mention any change in anything that Sean Bean speaks, would force them to re-record his line and I honestly doubt they'd throw money at that for somthing so insignificant (yes, it is insignifcant, I don't even listen to the Dawn of Mans).

 

[Linklite]

Doesn't he do the whole thing though? Won't they have had him back for the new leaders? Wouldn't be much more to just get him to do that spiel again...not that I'm fussed, there are a lot more meaningful things they could fix before this became something I'd be even thinking about being bothered by.

 

[Evie]

If you define "man" as multiple species - an entire genus, sure. If you talk about man as a species, then not all member of the homo genus are men - only H. Sapiens and arguably H. Neanderthalis (who would then be reclassified H. Sapiens Sapiens and H. Sapiens Neanderthalist) and one or two others.

And even if we treat man as the entire genus, Australopithecus (not homo anything) and a couple others before the Homo genus were already making stone tools, and the appearance of stone tools does in fact predate the appearance of any homo fossil in the skeleton record.

And stainless steel age? Plastic age? LoL. Stone-Bronze-Iron is an archaeological classification that's used to describe prehistoric society (and is based on tools in general), and was never meant to be used outside that context. Attempts to extend it into the historical period are hackneyed misuse, usually by people trying to peddle some ideological point about linear technological progress and technological "superiority".

And yes, as others have pointed out, it's farcically unimportant in terms of things that actually matter to "fix".

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Doesn't he do the whole thing though? Won't they have had him back for the new leaders? Wouldn't be much more to just get him to do that spiel again...not that I'm fussed, there are a lot more meaningful things they could fix before this became something I'd be even thinking about being bothered by.

Voice Actors are usually either paid by word or by line... So... any unncessary lines, would cost them extra.

Also, we have no evidence to suggest that he'd be back. I don't think it's been confirmed he is.

 

[Kjimmet]

I think it’s important for fans to fairly criticize the game, but I don’t think insulting the people behind the game is mature or productive.

Your point is more likely to be acknowledged without personal attacks or an aggressive tone.

I was actually a bit confused whether they were insulting me or Firaxis.

 

[Zaarin]

Also, we have no evidence to suggest that he'd be back. I don't think it's been confirmed he is.

Do we need evidence beyond the fact that he's done all of the prior introductions? Granted, they will be trying to save some money at this point in development, but I don't think they'll pull a Beyond The Sword and have Ed Beach read the introductions.

 

[uhu]

I had some hope for a final patch after the steam depots got detected and was curious, if that could draw me back into Civ [...] and still I'm zero hyped or even interested in the details of those new leaders. I can't even motivate me to watch the vids. The outlook that all the new leaders (which may be "good" itself, don't want to critize an effort I had no real look at!) will likely enter a game with exactly the same bugs/issues it had the last time I touched it

If anything, if they don't fix the game, it'll make things worse for me. They have had the opportunity to fix it...and didn't take it. Rather than listening to our needs and concerns, and fixing our very legitimate grievances, they essentially said: "Hey, look! Shiny things!"

This reminds me of an idea I had a while ago: I think, here on CFC we are two groups of players who are differently intense affected by the new Leader Pass (depending on how important are different civs/leaders at all for a player). (Warning: hard black & white desciption)

Those who focus on gameplay as a system of rules and the development of mankind as a whole, taking the civs as placeholders, who could be just be just Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Cyan, Magenta etc... (Indeed civ1 differentiated only in colour, the one "soundtrack" blared by PCspeaker, city name list and leader name & portrait). The Civilization group is shrinking.

Those who fill (seemingly endless) threads with talks and discussion about civ & leader features, abilities ... I suppose, they can never have enough (or even too much) civs/leaders ... The Civilizations group is growing.

The catalyst for shrinking/growing is the progression of the franchise from the beginning til now.


Apropos of development of mankind:

Still. Despite in civ6 many games are abandoned before modern times it contains a magic promise: play the whole history.
Homo habilis was the first hominin who made tools for a specific purpose (Oldowan stone-tool industry), not just a fetched stone or anything crashed onto a nut or shell to open it ...
I believe, one of them raised his eyes to nightly heaven and experienced the magic idea of somehow using a tool to travel to the stars. (Ikarus was much later, but with wax & bird's feathers not a lot further)

For esthetical reasons I mentioned nuts or shells to be opened. Of course it were mostly bare long bones lying in the sun useless left by hyaenas and vultures without fight for the crown of creation ...


Regardless how many shiny leaders you throw at the shrinking group (hear, hear, LudwigII of Bavaria) -- it won't fill the emptiness felt because you neglect the magic promise: play the whole history.
Ignoring the bugs doesn't help either.

 

[Zaarin]

Those who focus on gameplay as a system of rules and the development of mankind as a whole, taking the civs as placeholders, who could be just be just Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Cyan, Magenta etc... (Indeed civ1 differentiated only in colour, the one "soundtrack" blared by PCspeaker, city name list and leader name & portrait). The Civilization group is shrinking.

Those who fill (seemingly endless) threads with talks and discussion about civ & leader features, abilities ... I suppose, they can never have enough (or even too much) civs/leaders ... The Civilizations group is growing.

To defy your black and white description, I think there are quite a lot of us who are interested in both the mechanical game and the historical flavor in which it is couched.

 

[uhu]

Sure, it is the whole spectrum.


bell-shaped

and the squeeze out still at work.

 

[Horizons]

None of the leaders are reskins. The only things that were reused in NFP were animations. All the models are unique (except of course the personas).

I agree Caesar looks bizarre, but if you compare him to Gilgamesh the models are clearly not the same. The animations are not based on Gilgamesh either.

Yeah I was just guessing about that. If it's just new leaders and no gameplay adjustments I'm out, even if it is free lol (need those gigabytes for more interesting stuff)