[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

I reluctantly agree, though I'd also argue that if we can have both Greece and Rome, we can have both Babylon and Assyria, as their cultural relationship was very similar. (However, I agree that if we can only have one in Civ6, I would actually prefer Assyria to Babylon--as long as its a cultural/builder-focused Assyria rather than a hyper-militant Assyria; Gilgabro has that niche covered just fine.)
yeah bcs Assyria was less addicted to ziggurats compared to babylon as well there’s more room for a UI.

I feel like civ has a tendency to overstate the military focus of nations. I think almost every domination civ should also have an ability to focus it elsewhere, like how persia is still a half decent culture civ, or sumer is ok at science

The Aztecs and Assyria should be builders in addition to warmongerers, for example, the ottomans can be big on culture and science and religion
 
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yeah bcs Assyria was less addicted to ziggurats compared to babylon as well there’s more room for a UI.
Considering Babylon has never had ziggurats as a UI I don't think that would be a problem. Good thing we already have a unique wall though. :mischief:

At the same time I'm not sure how a unique ancient wall would work, especially since it would have to be replaced.
 
Considering Babylon has never had ziggurats as a UI I don't think that would be a problem. Good thing we already have a unique wall though. :mischief:

At the same time I'm not sure how a unique ancient wall would work, especially since it would have to be replaced.
Something like the astronomy house in Humankind would be a lot more aesthetically pleasing than a wall that you will barely look at for the entirety of the game
 
Something like the astronomy house in Humankind would be a lot more aesthetically pleasing than a wall that you will barely look at for the entirety of the game
astronomy house seems pretty overlapping with observatory

Also humankind is fairly bad at a lot of civ representation atm, consider how they call Keshigs ‘horde’ and how they have a builder civ archetype but make Babylon scientific

Considering Babylon has never had ziggurats as a UI I don't think that would be a problem. Good thing we already have a unique wall though. :mischief:

At the same time I'm not sure how a unique ancient wall would work, especially since it would have to be replaced.
an ‘Ishtar Gate’ ancient wall building could maybe give more tourism or buff archaeologists later on, and function as regular ancient walls until then
 
astronomy house seems pretty overlapping with observatory
Why not a tablet house which can hold Great works of Writing and produce more science than a regular library?

an ‘Ishtar Gate’ ancient wall building could maybe give more tourism or buff archaeologists later on, and function as regular ancient walls until then
I think if they went with giving them stronger walls, it would feel more indicative of a civ ability. Ancient walls can get the strength of Medieval walls, Medieval have Renaissance strength etc.
 
Why not a tablet house which can hold Great works of Writing and produce more science than a regular library?


I think if they went with giving them stronger walls, it would feel more indicative of a civ ability. Ancient walls can get the strength of Medieval walls, Medieval have Renaissance strength etc.
yeah that wall ability would be good, and a tablet library make more sense for assyria imo bcs Ashurbanipal’s library
 
yeah that wall ability would be good, and a tablet library make more sense for assyria imo bcs Ashurbanipal’s library
I think a Tablet House could possibly work for either one of them. Considering we don't have a unique library building yet, either one seems the best candidate, since the Maya already took over the role of Ancient astronomer made the whole Observatory a district.
 
weren't the assyrians known for having diplomats all over the bronze age civilizations as well? I could see assyria as being included as part of diplomatic victory overhaul. i know this is way more unlikely than them being a militaristic or even scientific civ but I think, and this is just pure speculation, that they will be releasing the new civs that synergize with the preceding month's balance changes. So for example, I think Ethiopia will have a religious focus to go with this month's balance changes. Kind of makes sense to me from a marketing and gameplay balance viewpoint.
 
Why not a tablet house which can hold Great works of Writing and produce more science than a regular library?


I think if they went with giving them stronger walls, it would feel more indicative of a civ ability. Ancient walls can get the strength of Medieval walls, Medieval have Renaissance strength etc.

Queen Tamar respects your Georgian Spirit but does not appreciate you stealing one of her unique abilities
 
weren't the assyrians known for having diplomats all over the bronze age civilizations as well? I could see assyria as being included as part of diplomatic victory overhaul. i know this is way more unlikely than them being a militaristic or even scientific civ but I think, and this is just pure speculation, that they will be releasing the new civs that synergize with the preceding month's balance changes. So for example, I think Ethiopia will have a religious focus to go with this month's balance changes. Kind of makes sense to me from a marketing and gameplay balance viewpoint.
The new Civs won't have any features that coincide with the expansions, so nothing will directly have anything to do with Diplomatic victory. The closest thing in the vanilla version would be becoming the suzerain of city-states, but I can't see them doing that. Maybe conquering them. :mischief:

Besides most of the time when Assyria went to send diplomats it was meant to ask the people to submit to their rule peacefully, or prepare for war. Not necessarily the most peaceful diplomatic approach to victory.

Ethiopia does make sense as being religious though.

Queen Tamar respects your Georgian Spirit but does not appreciate you stealing one of her unique abilities
That's different from her unique ability's and infrastructure. I'm suggesting the walls act like Persia's roads being more advanced when built, maybe even having "ancient walls" starting once you found your city, and they won't necessarily be faster at building them.
And no faith whatsoever.
 
What would be the chances that they throw in Sargon of the Akkadian Empire to satisfy both the Babylonian and Assyrian camps?
As I said in another thread, Sargon and his Akkadians were culturally Sumerian; they wouldn't make sense to have in the same game as Sumer--except perhaps as an alternate leader for Sumer--except that our Sumer is 100% Gilgamesh. :( Also Sargon wouldn't really be a stand-in for both as he was chiefly a culture hero for the Assyrians.
 
Besides most of the time when Assyria went to send diplomats it was meant to ask the people to submit to their rule peacefully, or prepare for war. Not necessarily the most peaceful diplomatic approach to victory.

Assyrian CUA: Prepare to war - you can send Envoys to other civilizations as well as city-States. Each Envoy in another civilization give +3 Combat Strength against this civilization.

Assuryian UI: Tablet House - Replace the Library. Each Great Work of Writing in this city produce +1 Science and +1 Envoy Point.
 
As I said in another thread, Sargon and his Akkadians were culturally Sumerian; they wouldn't make sense to have in the same game as Sumer--except perhaps as an alternate leader for Sumer--except that our Sumer is 100% Gilgamesh. :( Also Sargon wouldn't really be a stand-in for both as he was chiefly a culture hero for the Assyrians.
Considering the Akkadian Empire split into the regions of Babylonia in the south and Assyria in the north, with primarily Akkadian speaking language, I thought it could work.

Assyrian CUA: Prepare to war - you can send Envoys to other civilizations as well as city-States. Each Envoy in another civilization give +3 Combat Strength against this civilization.

Assuryian UI: Tablet House - Replace the Library. Each Great Work of Writing in this city produce +1 Science and +1 Envoy Point.
I was going to say isn't that basically what a delegation is but then again Mongolia already has that ability so sending envoys to other civilizations could work.

Though I personally would like to add in they get a free settler when conquering a new city, just to show off how they displaced many of the people who conquer and possibly unlocking military engineers faster as they were the first Empire to have separate engineering units.
 
Considering the Akkadian Empire split into the regions of Babylonia in the south and Assyria in the north, with primarily Akkadian speaking language, I thought it could work.
There was another period of rule by Sumerian-speaking dynasties after Sargon. His empire was more of a spiritual predecessor to Assyria than a nascent form of Babylo-Assyria. The location of Agade is unknown, and it was not an important city in Babylon or Assyria.
 
Assyrian CUA: Prepare to war - you can send Envoys to other civilizations as well as city-States. Each Envoy in another civilization give +3 Combat Strength against this civilization.

Assuryian UI: Tablet House - Replace the Library. Each Great Work of Writing in this city produce +1 Science and +1 Envoy Point.
i don’t think the former is possible under civ mechanics.
 
i don’t think the former is possible under civ mechanics.

Why not? I don't know their coding but it would be simple: when the Envoy is sent to a CS the counter of Envoys to it is increased by one; but we could imagine a new counter specific for this civ where, once your click on it in the Envoy panel, you increase this counter by one, and this counter act as the combat strength bonus you get from diplomatic visibility. After all, things that were deemed impossible are now possible: the Inca being able to work mountains, Cree being able to own territory not linked to their city... I don't see how it could not be.
Nonetheless, while I think it's possible, it would probably be very improbable.
 
i’ll say it again, I think Purépecha would be a good entry for the game, as well as the Miskito people

Admittedly, I don’t know too much about either, but Purépecha was the third largest empire after the Aztecs and Inca in the new world, and the Miskito people would be interesting and represent lower central america, so I’d think them to be fairly interestjng
 
Babylon’s UI should be the Kudurru (boundary stele).

Essentially monuments you build at your frontiers that provide a culture bomb.
 
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