[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Boris Gudenuf]

Really? I've never seen the same minor faction control more than one region before.


I'd rather call them "minor factions" or "minor civilizations" so that they can also cover city-states, micronations, and the like, but otherwise I agree. Of course, I foresee this inevitably turning into a "What is a planet?"-style debate.

I saw multi-region Minor Factions in one of the early Open Devs, but not in the latest Victor Open Dev, so they may have modified that. In any case, the fact that Minor Factions can be aggressively hostile or 'peaceful', can trade (the option is in the UI, although in Victor I never saw them exploit any of their resources for trading), can be 'patronized' and rent out their units, all indicate that both games are aiming in the same direction with City States/Minor Factions.

What's left, IMHO, is to integrate the Tribal Huts and Barbarian Camps more thoroughly into the system to provide a range of Human Background to most of the tiles on the map: not necessarily all politically coherent enough to form a 'state' of any size, but potentially able to affect your settlement in the area, your trade routes, and even provide some bonuses (think Tribal Hut 'goodies' from a wider variety of sources that stay on the map afterwards)

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Also Khazars maybe. At any rate, some Jewish scholars reported their elite converted to Judaism, but that's disputed by some modern historians.


Of these, only Israelites, Philistines, and maybe Etruscans would really be possible. Our knowledge of Minoan culture, politics, and military is virtually nonexistent, and our knowledge of their language is nonexistent. The Sea Peoples were not a single people but merely a group of raiders and pirates who harassed Egypt and the Levant in the late Bronze Age; the Philistines were one of them and ultimately probably the most regionally significant.

i knew the Khazar king was jewish in the 867 start in Crusader Kings but i didn’t know that was ahistorical, interesting

were there not jewish rulers in ethiopia? Could one not be chosen?

 

[8housesofelixir]

i knew the Khazar king was jewish in the 867 start in Crusader Kings but i didn’t know that was ahistorical, interesting

And even if they were really Jewish, their gameplay will more or less be a nomadic one (well hope that Civ can eventually get steppe economy right) instead of a "Jewish" one.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

were there not jewish rulers in ethiopia? Could one not be chosen?

From what I know I think they are considered "usurpers" as when the Solomonic Dynasty overthrew them that was seen as a restoration of the Christian Axum Empire from before.

 

[tsf4]

Wouldn’t you want a Davidic/Solomonic kingdom before a Ethiopian one though? Hands down IMO.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Wouldn’t hate a Davidic/Solomonic kingdom, but the framing would have to be really carefully put together to avoid criticism. Judaea is less controversial than Israel, etc.

 

[reddishrecue]

FYI, Solomon used to be highest scorer in civ 1 hall of fame. In civ 4, 5 and 6 Augustus Caesar became the highest scorer.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

I think that the Khazars could make for a great choice in the future. Regardless of if they were Jewish or only claiming to be, using religion to form a sort of on and off again neutrality could make for some fun gameplay opportunities!

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

To return for a moment to the Sogdians:

The Smithsonian, in cooperation with several art galleries and university departments, has a'virtual exhibit' on the Sogdians, which includes information on their art, contacts east and west, archeological evidence, language, etc.
It is viewable at https://sogdians.si.edu/

- And to show how long I've been entangled in these forums, I found myself reading some of the articles and thinking "How could we apply this to Civ VII? " . . .

 

[Thenewwwguy]

looks i’ll have to go visit it when i’m back in DC

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

looks i’ll have to go visit it when i’m back in DC

Never a bad idea, but the 'virtual exhibit' the link is to is much, much better than anything you can see in DC: many of the photos in the link are from partner organizations like the Hermitage State Gallery in St Petersburg, Russia (because Soviet/Russian archeologists did a lot of the ground work finding them in the first place in the central Asan sites) so can't be seen in the Smithsonian itself.

It's one of the reasons I hope this 'virtual exhibit' works well for them, because it would be a Very Good Thing to have more such exhibits utilizing partnerships with galleries and museums that most people will have trouble ever getting to physically.
My vote for Next Project would be one on Egyptian materials utilizing a partnership between the state collections in Egypt and the material in museums and collections in Berlin, London, and Paris (the famous bust of Nefertiti, for instance, is in the Egypt Museum on a side-street in Berlin, so most people have never seen it "in person"). Of course, that would be a lot more difficult to put together since much of the material in Europe is now considered to have been Looted by foreign archeological teams back before and immediately after WWII.

 

[Haig]

On topic of museums:
Stockholm definately has the greatest ones!

There is Armemuseum, that has warfare starting from stone age to modern day, but in a very compact style that you can easily walk thru it. Some very clever stuff too, like a diorama of a 30-years war era army in miniatures and listed how much of food and supply it used every day. I remember they needed crazy amount of beer! Also you can measure different era guns in your hand and target "enemy" with it, in a way that you see how close the targets were in battles of their eras. (Early musket, brown bess, rifle..)

The royal armory museum near King's castle has lots of great things, like the clothes king Gustavus Adolphus had on when he was killed, his horse, the clothes Carolus Rex had on when he died too etc.

Vasa ship museum, the most popular museum of Nordic countries, you see there a 1600-century ship that was salvaged from the deep and restored, very interesting atmosphere.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

On topic of museums:
Stockholm definately has the greatest ones!

It's easy to have great museums when they all get automatically themed.

 

[Abaxial]

I think this thread is pretty much redundant now, but for anyone who has difficulties sorting out their Elamites from their Dorians, I can thoroughly recommend this book:

https://www.matyszakbooks.com/book28.php

"The last of the Lydian kings was literally as rich as Croesus, because he was, in fact, Croesus."

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I think this thread is pretty much redundant now, but for anyone who has difficulties sorting out their Elamites from their Dorians, I can thoroughly recommend this book:

https://www.matyszakbooks.com/book28.php

"The last of the Lydian kings was literally as rich as Croesus, because he was, in fact, Croesus."

Thanks for the reference. For those interested, the book is available from Abe Books (outlet for used book dealers world wide) at a slightly reduced price in hardback, and as an electronic download from either Amazon/Kindle or Barnes & Noble.

 

[untitledjuan]

5 post-colonial civs

I think it would be interesting if they realeased DLCs to include some of the previous leaders in previous games of some of the civilisations currently in the game. I would like to see Isabella of Castile, Louis XIV, Wu Zetian and obviously Maria Theresa back into the game

Haha, I guess this aged well with the new Leader Pass